Human Cyrax should have a different tier placement

[G4S KT]

"safe teleport" is a HUGE understatement, btw

 

[NYCj360]

Actually he has better recovery on all moves. Just slower startup same duration window.

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[Mt. Mutombo]

Actually he has better recovery on all moves. Just slower startup same duration window.

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Exactly, it's like offline lag lol

 

[NYCj360]

Haha yea but he remains unpunishable from certain distances on a blocked net. We tested it with kabal and he can't even ex dash it. He requires some work to get used to but eventually becomes a better option for guaranteed damage and spacial control.
Slower start up l shouldn't make a difference if your not trying to leave yourself open and people will appreciate cyblax in matches vs kabal or kitana or even kenshi. Its much harder for runaway to fight off this version of Curacao. Oh and his bombs roll farther lol

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[Mt. Mutombo]

LOL it's looking like my main will be cyrax and my sub will be human cyrax lmao... I've been looking for a character to counterpick kabal and kitana if shit hits the fan.

Thing that irks me is learning the timing difference between both of em, i'll post some stuff in the next few days...

 

[NogunYesknife]

Anybody know if Cyblax has the same speed normals/strings (in terms of frames) ?

 

[NYCj360]

They don't feel any different

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[Mt. Mutombo]

Anybody know if Cyblax has the same speed normals/strings (in terms of frames) ?

98% sure he has the same speed on normals

 

[NYCj360]

Oh his standing 1 has a better hitbox its much easier to anti air with

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[Alice]

Well, I was playing around with him, and noticed a few things:
1) His has a slower startup, that means (well obviously it's slower) after a JIP you can't always connect it. You have to hit with the JIP pretty low, to be sure it connects. I don't like that. It's not that it's a that big problem, but online it is one that I don't want to face.
2) Because of the slower recovery after ex-bombs many of his combos are useless in human form. For me it just takes away the advantage of close bombs in the corner. Maybe I can have a 30% in this way too, but I'd like to have my 52% please. But not only the corner ones, personally I'm fond of the ex bomb, mid or far bomb combos, many of the options just won't work with human Cyrax.

Maybe there is a totally different way to play him, but I want to see it, I'm not convinced about that human is better. That safe teleport just won't make much difference.

 

[Mt. Mutombo]

Maybe there is a totally different way to play him, but I want to see it, I'm not convinced about that human is better. That safe teleport just won't make much difference.

I wouldn't say that, i'd give the advantage to a guy who plays cyblax exclusively since launch, to a guy who only plays robo. But since no one has done that we really can't say.

Right now i see robo with the advantage just cause i haven't seen anyone use cyblax. Im gonna play him exclusively in the next few weeks to test him out and see which i think is better.

 

[NYCj360]

He has an easy corner reset that can lead up to 60 with one meter. The back 2 could take 100000 frames and it will still connect. It doesn't matter how laggy the move is aslong as you input it while in the air it will connect.

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[Mt. Mutombo]

I left a mural of things i found and this shit froze up...anyways this is some of what i've gathered

-Cyblax can land a Saw after a 1,2,1
-Cyblax has a way bigger hitbox on his normal 2 and 2,1
-Robo cyrax has a bigger hitbox on the last 1 of 1,1,1
-Cyblax has a slightly bigger pushback on a blocked chest saw
-It's been said that his tele is more than safe, well it is, i tested it against sonya and like half a second he appeared sonya did a divekick and she bounced off as if cyblax had blocked. In other words it creates the barrier robo cyrax leaves when just after he teleports and disappears the opponent does a special move and bounces off as if he had blocked(example: sektor's TU)
-His 60% bnb it's easier with a close bomb(props to j360 for the idea) The close bomb allows for a slightly bigger window if you screw up your commands.
-Cyblax is slower at launching a bomb after one has already been launched or at least robo is more responsive to the bomb inputs.
-Cyblax can't teleport immediately after a tele like robo can.It basically works like a beefed up version of raiden's tele.
-I think his bombs explode a lot quicker than robo.
-His d4 feels a lot quicker too, please someone test this as well and tell im not crazy lol.

-A meterless 61% reset i had with robo that was only escapable with a rollback is now guaranteed even with EX wakeups...this is a gamechanger!!!

I'll keep posting in a bit...

 

[NYCj360]

I left a mural of things i found and this shit froze up...anyways this is some of what i've gathered

-Cyblax can land a Saw after a 1,2,1
-Cyblax has a way bigger hitbox on his normal 2 and 2,1
-Robo cyrax has a bigger hitbox on the last 1 of 1,1,1
-Cyblax has a slightly bigger pushback on a blocked chest saw
-It's been said that his tele is more than safe, well it is, i tested it against sonya and like half a second he appeared sonya did a divekick and she bounced off as if cyblax had blocked. In other words it creates the barrier robo cyrax leaves when just after he teleports and disappears the opponent does a special move and bounces off as if he had blocked(example: sektor's TU)
-His 60% bnb it's easier with a close bomb(props to j360 for the idea) The close bomb allows for a slightly bigger window if you screw up your commands.
-Cyblax is slower at launching a bomb after one has already been launched or at least robo is more responsive to the bomb inputs.
-Cyblax can't teleport immediately after a tele like robo can.It basically works like a beefed up version of raiden's tele.
-I think his bombs explode a lot quicker than robo.
-His d4 feels a lot quicker too, please someone test this as well and tell im not crazy lol.

-A meterless 61% reset i had with robo that was only escapable with a rollback is now guaranteed even with EX wakeups...this is a gamechanger!!!

I'll keep posting in a bit...

Good Stuff =). Try throwing out a bomb on knockdown and then saw youll notice if they get hit the bomb will pop them up because of the timing.

 

[G4S KT]

-It's been said that his tele is more than safe, well it is, i tested it against sonya and like half a second he appeared sonya did a divekick and she bounced off as if cyblax had blocked. In other words it creates the barrier robo cyrax leaves when just after he teleports and disappears the opponent does a special move and bounces off as if he had blocked(example: sektor's TU)

Yea dude, straight up fucking invincibility on REAPPEARANCE.

DAMN CYBLAX, YOU SCARY

 

[Lt. Boxy Angelman]

Also...he can spit a Medium Dragon Ball directly after the Command Grab.

Now, I don't know frames well enough to know the escapable possibilities, and I dont have a human to test it on, but isnt this the principle move in the ancient 22 Bombtrap? I know not having the Robo resets will make damage a little less totally ridiculous, but it definitely merits testing. Omgz, the tears that will be shed by the anti-Cyraxers if it works and it's a legit loophole back to the trap...

I do believe the dawn of Kai-Rax may at last be upon us.
AND he can frametrap with the Close Dragon Ball/Saw? This is too delicious.
*rubs his tummy* Mmmmmm.

 

[Krayzie]

I'll kill you if I have to!

 

[smokey]

If anyone has notations for combo's and resets and whatnot, or a video this could possibly be a new age of terrorism and hatred when i start to learn this character.

Raidens teleport (But better) with bomb traps and 60% resets at the cost of unsafe moves becoming unsafer? who the hell could argue with that?

People need to stop being so petty about little things and should probably give this characters alternate costume a hell of a lot more recognition!

 

[Mt. Mutombo]

But still, i dont consider cyblax better than robo... He fits my playstyle like a glove but when the going gets rough and you need big damage he isnt as reliable as robo is.

Either way i just found some crazy godlike tech with both of em, in the corner, im talking about godlike kabal type pressure in the corner.

 

[Lt. Boxy Angelman]

But still, i dont consider cyblax better than robo... He fits my playstyle like a glove but when the going gets rough and you need big damage he isnt as reliable as robo is.

Either way i just found some crazy godlike tech with both of em, in the corner, im talking about godlike kabal type pressure in the corner.

Does it take the mustard off the hot dog?
Watching Jr & Jax has made me a huge fan of corner murderology, so Im looking forward to this. Mmmhmmmm.

 

[smokey]

Does it take the mustard off the hot dog?
Watching Jr & Jax has made me a huge fan of corner murderology, so Im looking forward to this. Mmmhmmmm.

Jax + Meter + Corner = Win

If any of those factors are not present then your'e playing mk9 wrong.

 

[NYCj360]

He also has an easy midscreen 67% one meter reset. The more I don't want to talk about it the more I have to =×

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[Lt. Boxy Angelman]

He also has an easy midscreen 67% one meter reset. The more I don't want to talk about it the more I have to =×

Asdfghjklmnbvcxz...Im gonna try and figure it out. That'd make my fucking day.

 

[Mt. Mutombo]

Unblockables don't affect the teleport either lol i had ermac do his ground pound thingy and cyblax dashed through it:facepalm:

 

[smokey]

With the invinsibility/safety of the teleport, will potential punishes to robo's teleport (uppercuts for example) get stuffed leaving you free to open up on the poor sucker, or am i being stupid and thinking way ahead of myself here?