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xQUANTUMx

xQUANTUMx

Twitter: @xxQUANTUM
EntropicByDesign said:
As far as balance changes,

I'd like to see Kid get a grounded version of his command grab, same range/speed, just throws it straight out. It will snatch at any range as well, you don't have to catch someone at the tip range or anything. Same ability to combo with assists/meter/etc. Ex should have armor.

I feel like his 5M should start a little faster. Not much, 2-3f.

More range on 2L..make it's semi-stretchy.

Forward facing hitbox on 2H

Air versions of command grabs, ala Piccolo.

Candy Beam to heal more, or be given a MB version that does increased damage/drain.

Slightly faster fall speed after all versions of his Ball. Mb grounded ball should hit OH.

2M should really just reach full fucking screen, too easy to avoid IMO.

His air lv1 should be changed slightly to act similar to Bluegeta's command grabs, in that, when it lands, he carries the opponent to the ground and smashes them, causing a HKD with slight frame advantage. I spent a bar, I deserve my Oki.

Extend hit regions of his lv3 to encompass his head and hind shoulder. He's so short he's easier to get across with IADs, making him more susceptible to crossups. An invincible, anti-airing lv3 that will punish crossup attempts is only fair.

MB version of his crazy ball lockdown special, same properties, but faster startup, allowing it to be safely canceled from some of his normals. The current version is entirely useless due to it's slow startup. Ypu have call an assist to even attempt to use the damn thing.

I feel like, with those changes, Kid will finally be a viable choice. I mean, yeah he has his mix, but it's not like he can ever land a hit to start the mix, having sush terrible screen presence anywhere except point-blank with assist back-up. He's a small character which already gives him a disadvantage, being so easy to crossup. His standard damage is lacking as well, and these additional options will help to mitigate this considerably by allowing him more opportunities to put hands on his opponent.

Black needs a low hitting 2L as well, but I'd settle for a standing low hitting command normal added, something like Cell's 6H.

21 suggestions Inc.

Cough.

*Ducks*
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Bad troll is bad
 
Boss Savage

Boss Savage

Mortal
If we're all mentioning who we'd liked buffed, I kinda would like some piccolo/goku buffs. Honestly I'm okay with how they how now. But some slight improvements would be awesome.
 
EntropicByDesign

EntropicByDesign

It's all so very confusing.
I thought I had suitably overdone the buff suggestions enough that people would get that it was a joke.

I personally think kid is probably top 2. On a bad day after a bad game I think maybe he's top 3. I played him since launch as well.

I mean, just think about the horizontal command grab I just asked for. Assuming it followed the rules of his other grabs, you would have an unblockable command grab that that snapped out unreactibly fast covers probably 15% to 20% of the screen and leads to 4000 Plus with one bar or an assist with the ability to tack on more. That alone would essentially make literally every single thing he does a 50/50 because at any time he can snap the grab out, and you can't react or see it coming, and it's range means it can grab you literally anywhere in range of any of his standard normals.

I play kid, black, SS Vegeta - to give you an idea as to my perspectives.
 
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EntropicByDesign

EntropicByDesign

It's all so very confusing.
My 21 buff suggestion where going to be to make the stolen teleport part of her base kit, and let her steal assists.

And make her 2m chainable like kids, into her command grabs.

I think Krillin should have an additional level one added, where he forces you to experience most of the DBZ arc in his shoes, but condensed, so that it happens in an instant. So essentially you are him for a moment.. which makes the person hit with the move incredibly depressed, andand they lose their will tp fight for a while. Causing a reduction in speed, damage, health, and general mental well-being.
 
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Osagri

Osagri

Fear the blade of Osh-Tekk
EntropicByDesign said:
My 21 buff suggestion where going to be to make the stolen teleport part of her base kit, and let her steal assists.

And make her 2m chainable like kids, into her command grabs.

I think Krillin should have an additional level one added, where he forces you to experience most of the DBZ arc in his shoes, but condensed, so that it happens in an instant. So essentially you are him for a moment.. which makes the person hit with the move incredibly depressed, andand they lose their will tp fight for a while. Causing a reduction in speed, damage, health, and general mental well-being.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/Shoyoumomo_/status/987341541546123264?s=19 Krillin is already getting a huge buff to hes rock throw. Check the video :p
 
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Sultani

Warrior
Its not really trash, but its infuriating to say the least. Reacting to things correctly and having them work anyway just because of a couple delay frames is pretty frustrating.

"Ok hes obs gonna SD. I'll 2H.. welp. It didnt come out i guess."

"Oh hes gonna vanish and then mash lights. Welp, my backdash didnt come out because of delay so i guess it hit me."

Online is pretty much all i have for practice. So i just gotta deal with that stuff and not get in the habit of doing worse things just because its online
 
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Sultani

Warrior
xQUANTUMx said:
I was being sarcastic
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Lol i know.

Ok so.. before i say that i feel like these characters are too good, this has nothing to do with that..

Bardock is broken as hell. Not saying he's too good. I'm just saying he doesnt work right.

His auto combo auto corrects and switches directions so you cant wiff punish him. Even if he doesnt change directions he hits you when you're behind him or above him because his hitbox and hurtboxes are jacked.

I found out why it seems like he hits through block. Its because if he calls an assist, your character will sometimes change focus / priority if you are close to him.

I played a match today where he called an assist and jumped at me. I tried to DP but it came out as qcf instead because the assist was behind me and my character turned around to focus on the assist, so instead of dping him i flew the opposite direction.

Even on the offensive... i hit him with a combo and my character was backwards for like the first 5 hits... even in the air.. then just glitched and turned around. He's busted.

Ginyu... so... if he presses S... then you cant hit him? Lol... why dont more people use him? His stupid minions can hit you out of combos like 7 or 8 hits in.
 
xQUANTUMx

xQUANTUMx

Twitter: @xxQUANTUM
I use chadhan bardock and vegeta. I’m guessing this team is busted ?


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Sultani

Warrior
xQUANTUMx said:
I haven’t yet come across the probs you mentioned but I’m guessing I eventually will


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Had it happen again. Doesnt seem to be specific to bardock at all. Offensively it seems to happen when you land certain crossups and then land and chain attacks together.

Also had inputs reversed and target assists against a tien.
 
EntropicByDesign

EntropicByDesign

It's all so very confusing.
Allright. Damnit to hell.

I played some 21 again. I am so torn.

My team is a shovel full of horseshit:

Kid - Black - ssVegeta.

There is nothing ambiguous or confusing about that comp. No special strategy or tech involved. It's just meant to work. I play it in the order listed above, but by and large, order doesn't matter. Vegeta being anchor/last alive is optimal but all three can support each other and all three can play alone/assistless. All three can heavily benefit from one another's assists, etc. I am playing three of the strongest characters in the entire game - and two of them are among my favs in the entire game regardless.

Why am I whinging?

Twenty. Fucking. One.

I just REALLY REALLY like playing her. Her damage is insane (4300 for a BnB, no bar. Add a bar or an assist and it's 5k. Add both and it's just dumb). Shes very strong. Imo she's not in the Kid/Cell/AG tier but she's right under it. Very fun to play.

I dropped her initially just because I can't play every character in the game and you have to make some sacrifices.. and running the team I am now was worth her being shuffled to the side. Kid is my fav character in the entire game, but 21 is close, and def 2nd.

I had made peace with sidelining her, until I played her some the other day.. and now I have a crisis. I locked in my team, and for a minimum, but DAMNIT. She's just fun, and effective.

Really though,Vegeta is the only character I can see myself dropping for her, and losing him HEAVILY changes a ttoonnnnnn of what I do, and how I do it. Dropping Black isn't an option I want to consider either because he's probably my third or fourth fav in the game, and his simple, but crazy powerful gameplan is something that plays to my (lack of) strengths. I've dropped kid before, and the result was the entire game was just 'less' for me.

Right now I'm just occasionally swapping Kid out on point for 21 and keeping Black and Vegeta.. running that keeps the team dynamic mostly the same.. but the 21/Kid/Black team is entirely different from what I run now imo , and trying to play both is just going to get in the way.

Sigh.

This has been a pointless post. I'm basically talking to myself, but it's so frustratingggggggggggggg
 
ShArp

ShArp

Dedicated Broly main
EntropicByDesign said:
Allright. Damnit to hell.

I played some 21 again. I am so torn.

My team is a shovel full of horseshit:

Kid - Black - ssVegeta.

There is nothing ambiguous or confusing about that comp. No special strategy or tech involved. It's just meant to work. I play it in the order listed above, but by and large, order doesn't matter. Vegeta being anchor/last alive is optimal but all three can support each other and all three can play alone/assistless. All three can heavily benefit from one another's assists, etc. I am playing three of the strongest characters in the entire game - and two of them are among my favs in the entire game regardless.

Why am I whinging?

Twenty. Fucking. One.

I just REALLY REALLY like playing her. Her damage is insane (4300 for a BnB, no bar. Add a bar or an assist and it's 5k. Add both and it's just dumb). Shes very strong. Imo she's not in the Kid/Cell/AG tier but she's right under it. Very fun to play.

I dropped her initially just because I can't play every character in the game and you have to make some sacrifices.. and running the team I am now was worth her being shuffled to the side. Kid is my fav character in the entire game, but 21 is close, and def 2nd.

I had made peace with sidelining her, until I played her some the other day.. and now I have a crisis. I locked in my team, and for a minimum, but DAMNIT. She's just fun, and effective.

Really though,Vegeta is the only character I can see myself dropping for her, and losing him HEAVILY changes a ttoonnnnnn of what I do, and how I do it. Dropping Black isn't an option I want to consider either because he's probably my third or fourth fav in the game, and his simple, but crazy powerful gameplan is something that plays to my (lack of) strengths. I've dropped kid before, and the result was the entire game was just 'less' for me.

Right now I'm just occasionally swapping Kid out on point for 21 and keeping Black and Vegeta.. running that keeps the team dynamic mostly the same.. but the 21/Kid/Black team is entirely different from what I run now imo , and trying to play both is just going to get in the way.

Sigh.

This has been a pointless post. I'm basically talking to myself, but it's so frustratingggggggggggggg
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I have similar problems... I play the same team but in a bit different order Kid > Vegeta > Black and I really wanna switch Black or Vegeta with my favorite villain Broly BUT I fking can't atm... Because Black with his beam gives this amazing assists that makes buu's string > beam assist > buu ball > buu's 50/50 a true blockstring (SS goku can do that too) and Vegeta gives another 50/50 (not a true blockstring tho) that makes it really hard to see if I'll go with overhead or low with Buu afterwards.

Literally - I use Vegeta and Black JUST for their assists... I love Kid Buu and play others two because they give him soo many mixup options / blockstrings. Other than that - I don't even know who the F Goku Black is lol.. And I hate myself for this.
 
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