Dragon Ball FighterZ Discussion Thread (Game)

[Jaku2011]

How many people dont use goku black? Probably less than actually use the blues.

Every damn team has stupid goku black or adult gohan. Usually its both.

I mean I don't play either

 

[EntropicByDesign]

How many people dont use goku black? Probably less than actually use the blues.

Every damn team has stupid goku black or adult gohan. Usually its both.

I run him because he has a no-nonsense neutral and game plan, he's incredibly strong, his beam assist is a godsend for Hit and TG, he's easy to play (Hit and TG are enough work already) and I just like him in general - more than the other characters that fit his role in my team.

He's massively over-used. Im not going to make up some dumb shit about loving him in the manga or show and blah blah, and try to rationalize my using him beyond the simple fact that he's super fucking strong, I want to win and I like him more than the other super fucking strong characters that could fit in my team. If he were to get nerfed or something and wasn't as great, I'd very likely drop him and move along.

 

[ProudDisciple]

Anyone available to play on PSN?

 

[Chakk dizzle]

Anyone available to play on PSN?

Ggs

 

[TrulyAmiracle]

For the A.Gohan convo, if Gohan does EX legs in the corner into j.LL you cannot reflect that is a true blockstring, i think it only has a gap if he’s level 1 for whatever reason. It also has a gap if you’re crouching and you play a midget (Lil Gohan, Gotenks, Frieza, Kid Buu etc).
All the other levels he can do derp into 2H ex legs j.LL repeat for as long as he has meter and it’s a true blockstring.

For whoever said no one is gonna dump all their meter on block.. in this scenario he’s not even losing much he builds like half a bar every rep of that blockstring so he’s spending a bar and building back half, more if he has an assist where he can do a rep meterless and build back the bar he spent earlier, now enjoy this 20 minute blockstring.

He can do ex legs j.2S into low, ex legs slightly delay j.L into 5L (good luck seeing the delay here) or the regular ex legs j.LL so its it’s three way mixup where you eat shit on hit or block.

You can guard cancel to get out but it has to be at the very end of ex legs, too early and you’ll come in right into the ex legs and back into the blender or too late and j.L will connect and you eat a lightning leg loop.
At any of the other points if you guard cancel you’ll come in into his normals and eat a combo free.

 

[Sutter Pain]

For the A.Gohan convo, if Gohan does EX legs in the corner into j.LL you cannot reflect that is a true blockstring, i think it only has a gap if he’s level 1 for whatever reason. It also has a gap if you’re crouching and you play a midget (Lil Gohan, Gotenks, Frieza, Kid Buu etc).
All the other levels he can do derp into 2H ex legs j.LL repeat for as long as he has meter and it’s a true blockstring.

For whoever said no one is gonna dump all their meter on block.. in this scenario he’s not even losing much he builds like half a bar every rep of that blockstring so he’s spending a bar and building back half, more if he has an assist where he can do a rep meterless and build back the bar he spent earlier, now enjoy this 20 minute blockstring.

He can do ex legs j.2S into low, ex legs slightly delay j.L into 5L (good luck seeing the delay here) or the regular ex legs j.LL so its it’s three way mixup where you eat shit on hit or block.

You can guard cancel to get out but it has to be at the very end of ex legs, too early and you’ll come in right into the ex legs and back into the blender or too late and j.L will connect and you eat a lightning leg loop.
At any of the other points if you guard cancel you’ll come in into his normals and eat a combo free.

Thanks for the specific points you made that is exactly what I was looking for when I asked for help with the MU. I can reflect the air.l after the ex legs unless I was not doing them tight enough the reflect window feels much smaller because you have time it as your negative after ex legs.

 

[ProudDisciple]

Ggs

GGs @Chakk dizzle
Crazy good pressure

 

[Juggs]

@Juggs @xQUANTUMx

Why do you guys think Gohan's level 0 neutral is weak?

Only neutral buff he gets after install is tracking tele, which is great yes, but the rest of his top tier kit is still there from the get-go lol. 5M and 2M range is godlike, 5S is plus on block and stops super dashes, basic ki blast has an excellent angle while also creating space, Masenko beam, slight invincibility on DP, and he has an above average 2H.

I dunno, maybe it's just preference, but I prefer A.Gohan on point lately. Especially if he's the focus of the team.

I don't think I'd say he struggles in neutral exactly. I can see the desire to run Black out front though and early-swap into AG @lv1.

I use Black in a similar way with TGohan, who I run as point. I'll start with Black and work neutral a little and build up some meter without bleeding TG's health out to do it. In a best-case he's coming in lv1 blazing so the opponent is already on their back and he can try to play his momentum game right away, with one or two stocks still around.

I did not say A.Gohan’s neutral “struggled” in lvl 0, I said his neutral “suffered” in lvl 0. I’m not arguing semantics, these words are completely different, at least in the context I was using.

In comparison to what even lvl 1 can do VS what lvl 0 can do, his neutral absolutely suffers when he’s in lvl 0. It’s like having an incomplete character while no other characters have this issue. But even further, lvl 1 vs lvl 2 is also a big difference. To be clear, I am not at all saying lvl 0 A.Gohan is bad or that lvl 0 A.Gohan’s neutral is bad. Again, I used the word “suffers” for a reason.

I don’t want to get into a long post about all the differences, you can look those up. Basically what I was saying is that A.Gohan at lvl 0 is a handicap for him, in neutral or otherwise, so why have him on point? That isn’t to suggest that not having him on point guarantees he’ll come in with at least a lvl 1, he can be snapped in or my other characters can die before I have a chance to z change. I’m talking about maximizing the effectiveness of not only A.Gohan as a single character and his neutral, but maximizing his effectiveness for my team as a whole. And as others who are much better at the game and much better with A.Gohan have already stated, he seems to be much better utilized not on point so you can maximize the chance of him starting out at at least lvl 1 potential unleashed.

 

[Tony at Home]

Accept with green connection
Opponent is on WiFi
19 frames of lag

 

[Tanno]

For the A.Gohan convo, if Gohan does EX legs in the corner into j.LL you cannot reflect that is a true blockstring, i think it only has a gap if he’s level 1 for whatever reason. It also has a gap if you’re crouching and you play a midget (Lil Gohan, Gotenks, Frieza, Kid Buu etc).
All the other levels he can do derp into 2H ex legs j.LL repeat for as long as he has meter and it’s a true blockstring.

For whoever said no one is gonna dump all their meter on block.. in this scenario he’s not even losing much he builds like half a bar every rep of that blockstring so he’s spending a bar and building back half, more if he has an assist where he can do a rep meterless and build back the bar he spent earlier, now enjoy this 20 minute blockstring.

He can do ex legs j.2S into low, ex legs slightly delay j.L into 5L (good luck seeing the delay here) or the regular ex legs j.LL so its it’s three way mixup where you eat shit on hit or block.

You can guard cancel to get out but it has to be at the very end of ex legs, too early and you’ll come in right into the ex legs and back into the blender or too late and j.L will connect and you eat a lightning leg loop.
At any of the other points if you guard cancel you’ll come in into his normals and eat a combo free.

Now we know why A.Gohan is broken AF.

 

[xQUANTUMx]

Bro, you ever been locked down by Cell? Lol I can go make a sandwich while he’s doing his thing (on hit AND on block)

Not downplaying growhan btw, I know they are basically in the same tier (use both of them and complete your transition to the dark side)

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[Osagri]

Bro, you ever been locked down by Cell? Lol I can go make a sandwich while he’s doing his thing (on hit AND on block)

Not downplaying growhan btw, I know they are basically in the same tier (use both of them and complete your transition to the dark side)

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I still think a.gohan has better lockdown, atleast in corner. Im talking about solo, no assists. But calling a.gohan broken @Tanno is a bit too much imo. He is deffinetly one of the best. Or maybe the best

 

[Tanno]

I still think a.gohan has better lockdown, atleast in corner. Im talking about solo, no assists. But calling a.gohan broken @Tanno is a bit too much imo. He is deffinetly one of the best. Or maybe the best

Bro, I'm not the only one saying that A.Gohan is broken. This discussion about him being broken came from DBFZ Discords. The other characters have pushback system in them, unlike Gohan. Even I have a hard time maintaining a blockstring combo with Beerus. My main got some gaps that are reactable.

 

[God Confirm]

Bro, I'm not the only one saying that A.Gohan is broken. This discussion about him being broken came from DBFZ Discords. The other characters have pushback system in them, unlike Gohan. Even I have a hard time maintaining a blockstring combo with Beerus. My main got some gaps that are reactable.

it really doesn't matter how many people agree with you, that doesn't just trump somebody's opinion

 

[Osagri]

@Tanno so dbfz discord is only place where people can discuss this about this game and they are automaticly right? Many people here play as much dbfz as someone on dbfz discord channel. I personally think that a16 is closer to broken than any other char in this game. And I am not saying that he is broken

 

[xQUANTUMx]

Idk, the top players deal with it (doesn’t mean they like it), so for now I’ll just watch and learn.




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[JBeezYBabY]

Honestly....i kinda do NOT want to call for any nerfs of any character. I can see A Gohan getting balanced tho. But i feel they should buff his installs to give ppl a REAL reason to spend a grip of meter to reach lvl 7 install.

But i just discovered that Beerus has a midget hurt box....WHYYYYYYYY!!!!???

 

[Sultani]

Lol a.gohan.

"But omg 16 has a 100% reactable setup that no one gets hit by at high levels!"

No one is gon git nerfed. Arksys dun roll like dat. If anything they'll troll the F out of everyone and buff the top tiers.

Honestly though it feels like this game has like 3 tiers. Three or four ridiculous characters... maybe 5.. everyone else slightly under that, and fat buu tier.

 

[Sultani]

I did not say A.Gohan’s neutral “struggled” in lvl 0, I said his neutral “suffered” in lvl 0. I’m not arguing semantics, these words are completely different, at least in the context I was using.

In comparison to what even lvl 1 can do VS what lvl 0 can do, his neutral absolutely suffers when he’s in lvl 0. It’s like having an incomplete character while no other characters have this issue. But even further, lvl 1 vs lvl 2 is also a big difference. To be clear, I am not at all saying lvl 0 A.Gohan is bad or that lvl 0 A.Gohan’s neutral is bad. Again, I used the word “suffers” for a reason.

I don’t want to get into a long post about all the differences, you can look those up. Basically what I was saying is that A.Gohan at lvl 0 is a handicap for him, in neutral or otherwise, so why have him on point? That isn’t to suggest that not having him on point guarantees he’ll come in with at least a lvl 1, he can be snapped in or my other characters can die before I have a chance to z change. I’m talking about maximizing the effectiveness of not only A.Gohan as a single character and his neutral, but maximizing his effectiveness for my team as a whole. And as others who are much better at the game and much better with A.Gohan have already stated, he seems to be much better utilized not on point so you can maximize the chance of him starting out at at least lvl 1 potential unleashed.

Context matters yeah. So it's not that he struggles. It's just that comparatively there's a drop off from 1 to 0 where it doesnt really make alot of sense to gimp yourself like that if you don't have to. Makes sense.


But even then, with the comparison to other characters not having to deal with that, it's like having an incomplete diamond when other characters have complete gumballs. He's still better than most.

 

[JBeezYBabY]

Lol a.gohan.

"But omg 16 has a 100% reactable setup that no one gets hit by at high levels!"

No one is gon git nerfed. Arksys dun roll like dat. If anything they'll troll the F out of everyone and buff the top tiers.

Honestly though it feels like this game has like 3 tiers. Three or four ridiculous characters... maybe 5.. everyone else slightly under that, and fat buu tier.

RIGHT!? Fat Buu got some dirty ass setups with that laffy taffy trap move too lol

 

[God Confirm]

But i just discovered that Beerus has a midget hurt box....WHYYYYYYYY!!!!???

Cause He has midget hitboxes to go along with it

Lol a.gohan.

"But omg 16 has a 100% reactable setup that no one gets hit by at high levels!"

No one is gon git nerfed. Arksys dun roll like dat. If anything they'll troll the F out of everyone and buff the top tiers.

What you mean, they just got done nerfing a bunch of characters in Guilty?

Also, 16 mixes work at the highest level in fact it was the highest level players who started talking about 16, as usual the groupthink just parroted it, but not until sonic and others talked about how messed up 16 is first

 

[JBeezYBabY]

Cause He has midget hitboxes to go along with it


What you mean, they just got done nerfing a bunch of characters in Guilty?

Also, 16 mixes work at the highest level in fact it was the highest level players who started talking about 16, as usual the groupthink just parroted it, but not until sonic and others talked about how messed up 16 is first

Ugh....well....i dont use him, but notice in practice mode some of my Frieza combos do not hit like most characters. Find that kinda odd, but whateva...At least im learning different stuff everyday

 

[Osagri]

Lol a.gohan.

"But omg 16 has a 100% reactable setup that no one gets hit by at high levels!"

No one is gon git nerfed. Arksys dun roll like dat. If anything they'll troll the F out of everyone and buff the top tiers.

Honestly though it feels like this game has like 3 tiers. Three or four ridiculous characters... maybe 5.. everyone else slightly under that, and fat buu tier.

Yes they do get hit, and that is not nearly all that makes a16 as strong as he is and u know that. Not calling for nerfs or bitching about him but he is rly good

 

[Tanno]

@Tanno so dbfz discord is only place where people can discuss this about this game and they are automaticly right? Many people here play as much dbfz as someone on dbfz discord channel. I personally think that a16 is closer to broken than any other char in this game. And I am not saying that he is broken

Nah, bro. It's the other way around. I don't go agreeing with most people without base their opinions somewhere. In Discords there are some experienced anime FG players, and there are some videos showing A.Gohan's infinite blockstring not leaving a gap in his combo.

 

[JBeezYBabY]

When it comes to 16, its funny ever since SonicFox discovered his sick setups, EVERYBODY is doing the EXACT same shit! Well, at least try to....

When somebody starts off the match at 16, 90% of the time they will start with 5H. Tell me im lying!