Injustice 2 First Balance Patch Reactions, Hype and Tears Thread

[x TeeJay o]

I'm excited for her buffs too but top 5? Calm down lol. We don't know what else has changed. The command grab will be a high likely so they can just duck and punish similar to sub. 33 being plus is great though and b12 being safe is probably the most significant thing if you ask me. 112 being safe helps but I think b12 Is most helpful for neutral purposes.


I am super intrigued about supergirl though. Seriously depending on how much her damage actually has been adjusted, watch out


All in all i can't be more happy when my main and secondary were both bottom 10 and now both have potential to be top 10. Shoutout to the day 1 canary and supergirl mains man I know who y'all are !

 

[MidTierHarley]

Is this the Espio callout thread?

 

[CrimsonShadow]

I'm excited for her buffs too but top 5? Calm down lol. We don't know what else has changed. The command grab will be a high likely so they can just duck and punish similar to sub. 33 being plus is great though and b12 being safe is probably the most significant thing if you ask me. 112 being safe helps but I think b12 Is most helpful for neutral purposes.


I am super intrigued about supergirl though. Seriously depending on how much her damage actually has been adjusted, watch out


All in all i can't be more happy when my main and secondary were both bottom 10 and now both have potential to be top 10. Shoutout to the day 1 canary and supergirl mains man I know who y'all are !

To be fair though, if the nerfs and readjustments have their intended effects, "Top 5" should no longer be a dirty word/phrase

The goal is for the Top 5 to be good, but not bonkers broke and miles above the characters below them. So who knows.

In either case, "Top 5" should probably no longer mean "broken tier".

If we're in a place where like 8-9 characters are considered to be in the running for Top 5, but none of them are ridiculously good and people can't say for sure who's in and who's out, then we're doing pretty well.

 

[Zoidberg747]

And he gets support for calling people bad purely because he's a mod and been on the site for a long time. If he was a new member people wouldn't like him. I'll just remember the almighty espio is never wrong and all other opinions mean you're bad.

Espio's been completely respectful when arguing with you, stop being such a baby.

P.S. basing as character's strength off of tournament results is stupid. Cyrax didn't start winning tournaments until year 2 in MK9, and he was always top 3 in the game.

 

[ImperatrixSindel]

To be fair though, if the nerfs and readjustments have their intended effects, "Top 5" should no longer be a dirty word/phrase

The goal is for the Top 5 to be good, but not bonkers broke and miles above the characters below them. So who knows.

In either case, "Top 5" should probably no longer mean "broken tier".

If we're in a place where like 8-9 characters are considered to be in the running for Top 5, but none of them are ridiculously good and people can't say for sure who's in and who's out, then we're doing pretty well.

This, exactly. That's the ideal situation.

 

[Arzumis]

I'm excited for her buffs too but top 5? Calm down lol. We don't know what else has changed. The command grab will be a high likely so they can just duck and punish similar to sub. 33 being plus is great though and b12 being safe is probably the most significant thing if you ask me. 112 being safe helps but I think b12 Is most helpful for neutral purposes.


I am super intrigued about supergirl though. Seriously depending on how much her damage actually has been adjusted, watch out


All in all i can't be more happy when my main and secondary were both bottom 10 and now both have potential to be top 10. Shoutout to the day 1 canary and supergirl mains man I know who y'all are !

Thanks man
The supergirl struggle has been real but there is hope with this patch.

 

[Dankster Morgan]

I'm okay with what happened with the characters I use, Aquaman is still gonna be good, just not busted af. I didn't watch the stream yet, I'm wondering how much trident rush chip was nerfed, that'll have a lot to do with it. The character's tools are just fundementally too strong for him ever to be bad. Maybe I'll find a character I like now tho lol. Supergirl finally has a button that isn't death, maybe I can try to learn her without feeling like I'm wasting time.

 

[ATL Jones Bro3]

Espio's been completely respectful when arguing with you, stop being such a baby.

P.S. basing as character's strength off of tournament results is stupid. Cyrax didn't start winning tournaments until year 2 in MK9, and he was always top 3 in the game.

The first thing he mentioned when he addressed it is you're just not good enough aka bad. Very respectful. Guy always has an attitude with me whenever I attempt to give my opinion on Beetle. I even mentioned the other day that I disagree he's okay and he's low mid and his response is "didn't you drop the character in two weeks?". Nothing of value, just attitude.

 

[Dankster Morgan]

This Deadshot motherfucker is gonna wreck shit though

 

[Cashual]

Also how in the world did darkseid get no nerfs?

What nerfs did darkseid need in your opinion?

 

[JnTonioo]

lmao theres an Aquaman change petition

https://www.change.org/p/netherrealm-studios-make-aquaman-nerfs-more-reasonable-in-injustice-2

 

[Juggs]

Joking aside, I think Blue Beetle and Firestorm shoulda got at least something. Even if it was making something less minus or more plus. They are fun to watch at high levels.

 

[buyacushun]

I don't like that Captain Cold is still in his divisive spot. And BB needs tweaks rather than straight buffs/nerfs.

Anyone notice that female characters are on the come up? NRS must've read that article on female representation. The top tier patriarchy is coming down!

BB not getting changes does rub me the wrong way, but imo i would have liked some minor tweaks to his tremendous unsafety. I guess we have to have success with the gimmicks that will start to fade as ppl learn the mu. Thanks NRS

What gimmicks? I think he's got a pretty solid game plan right now. Still fleshing out certain MUs but i don't see him as ginmicky.

 

[Sugarwatermixlegit]

bruh im speechless , this is probably the worst patch i ever experienced in a fighting game ever
Paulo should get his ass fired
and yo 16bit how the hell this patch doesn't change the meta? the top 10 is completely changed.

im so done with this game

Ok but aren't you the guy that called Harley "broke" because she could do a meter less corner carry that restands lol. Patch is fine and one of the best NRS has done imo.

 

[Sugarwatermixlegit]

This is a great patch in my opinion. It seems just about right mi us a few gripes I may have (Joker should have gotten some buffs, I don't even play him but he just really seems like he needs it).
I would say RIP Aquaman, but he's still obviously going to be viable, just not as nuts.
Other than the previously mentioned Joker, all the characters that didn't get touched makes sense.
I'm pretty happy

 

[JDE]

I'm not sure who made this, but it was posted when I was reading Alucard's post on Facebook. However, it could be useful to people who are mods here & people who are just now finding out what was mentioned.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1EUHl9VZJBYA8YcSLDuU6nWxdyEQuMQau3IjtlV21l04/mobilebasic

 

[EMPR_MURK]

I don't like that Captain Cold is still in his divisive spot. And BB needs tweaks rather than straight buffs/nerfs.

Anyone notice that female characters are on the come up? NRS must've read that article on female representation. The top tier patriarchy is coming down!


What gimmicks? I think he's got a pretty solid game plan right now. Still fleshing out certain MUs but i don't see him as ginmicky.

He's extremely unsafe in most of his strings and the majority of them all have gaps that can be backdashed on poked out of...
such as 33, b13, and 111

33 and b13 both have gaps, and are punishable on block. I believe the only the only way to keep the gap closed is to go for the unsafe df1 or the whiffing db1. 111 being plus one with a gap is useless and should at least be plus 2 or have the gap closed. I don't really care for the 111 change all like that but imo his basic normals are poorly designed besides 13. Yes he as mix but all unsafe and do not lead to full combo unless meter is used. His mix being unsafe is understandable due to it being a mix which is not an issue but there is no safety in anything else.

 

[villainous monk]

So.... Let me ask. Since I'm not going to read through everything here.

How did Atrocitus do?
Darksied?
Linda Carter? Hopefully she's got some love in this patch
Cheetah?

Are the more competitive modes or settings?

 

[AfroBreezy]

dood stop they barely touched Flash, worry more about Robin he will be dumb.

That's the thing I'm saying. Why touch someone that's an honest character

 

[sling1414]

Red Hood nerfs? Lets nerf a character that has low damage, is meter heavy and is mostly gimmicks i guess....

No Sub changes make sense based on how new he is.

Bane buffs hell yeah

 

[AfroBreezy]

They're going over all the gear changes during the Starfire watchtower during the first week of August.
Wait HOLD THE PHONE!!!!!


Flash was buffed...

 

[Zoidberg747]

So.... Let me ask. Since I'm not going to read through everything here.

How did Atrocitus do?
Darksied?
Linda Carter? Hopefully she's got some love in this patch
Cheetah?

Are the more competitive modes or settings?

Atro: F223 vomit is no longer a true blockstring. You have to do F22 vomit if you want to stay safe on the f2 string. Shield and ball burn more of the trait meter when used (especially shield) and pushblocking takes more of the trait meter. I don't think either of these things hurt him that much and he might just be top 3 after the patch.

Darkseid: No changes, but with the top tiers getting nerfed he's probably top 5 imo.

Linda Carter: Do you mean WoWo? B23 is now plus, F23 is now safe, trait recovery is reduced, and fixed some comboing issues.

Cheetah: 223 (I think that was it) is now plus. Can't remember anything else.

 

[TopTierHarley]

So.... Let me ask. Since I'm not going to read through everything here.

How did Atrocitus do?
Darksied?
Linda Carter? Hopefully she's got some love in this patch
Cheetah?

Are the more competitive modes or settings?

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1EUHl9VZJBYA8YcSLDuU6nWxdyEQuMQau3IjtlV21l04/mobilebasic

 

[ReD WolF]

Haven't watched the stream yet, but I was wondering if anyone could tell me how much of a reduction there is going to be on batman's MB baterangs in terms of frame advantage?

 

[Espio]

He's extremely unsafe in most of his strings and the majority of them all have gaps that can be backdashed on poked out of...
such as 33, b13, and 111

33 and b13 both have gaps, and are punishable on block. I believe the only the only way to keep the gap closed is to go for the unsafe df1 or the whiffing db1. 111 being plus one with a gap is useless and should at least be plus 2 or have the gap closed. I don't really care for the 111 change all like that but imo his basic normals are poorly designed besides 13. Yes he as mix but all unsafe and do not lead to full combo unless meter is used. His mix being unsafe is understandable due to it being a mix which is not an issue but there is no safety in anything else.

The thing is though all of these strings you shouldn't be constantly doing stuff like 3,3 or back 1, 3. It isn't true at all that Blue Beetle has no safe way to remove gaps.

You have shield bash which is -4 on block with pushback that closes all those gaps. You can even close the gap in 1,1,1 (this is a punisher type of string anyway so it's not like you should be using it a lot on block anyway).

He has a safe overhead in Back 2, shield bash. His sweep is also a safe low option. He has safe low damage 50/50's or if you wanna get bigger damage you take a risk. I don't have a problem with people thinking he's bad, but the reasons listed aren't things that he has to do or worry about.

Forward 2 is a great advancing mid that can be made safe. 3 is 9 frames, back 1 is 10 frames and neutral on block (with restand properties, a phantom hitbox and great for setting up poke whiff punishes). He has great cross up mixes with his jump normals, jump 3 is great for pressure an can guarantee a throw or down 1 that beats 8 frame reversals. His zoning is very solid and gets the job done, he builds meter like it's going out of style and has two bar combos for 50%. He ALWAYS has meter because he builds it abusing safe chip specials up close and projectiles afar. His stagger game with 1 and back 1 is applicable to with good conditioning into throws or more pressure.

I don't understand how these are the issues of concern. Blue Beetle wouldn't be over powered if he got buffs, but the issues being listed are issues that are very much non-issues.