Dvorah was a great character, you are moving the goalpost with her and still missing the point. Alot of people used her, she was great at what she did, she was just outclassed by the problem tiers. Dragon was interviewed and he said something along the lines ver batim what u did, about if its not fun to use im not going to use it, and this was in relation to playing ivy, which he found fun, basically connected with the character. You can try and spin it all you want but all that was tossed in favor of easy wins and lack of viability at at end game level. I never said these characters werent good, stop promoting speech im not saying please. What i did say is these characters get outclassed by the problem tiers. So whos your new main? And why not stick to who you love? Its clearly ivy, make it work, remember what you said with arrogance? "Git gud"! Id love to see ivy compete in a top 8 and be on the verge of winning in a close match, not freed up by adam in a flawless victory. Reptile was great too, but couldnt compete against the tops like alien, tanya etc.. milky situation hit top 8 with reptile then people really learned the matchup and it became the usual bunch, mileena, alien, tanya etc.. the ones that could shut down the rest. i mean remember when they nerfed these characters slightly and everyone switched from them? And they buffed kitana and everyone was all of a sudden playin op kit? Sure these characters are viable, but at a certain point the characters just get outclassed not by the player, but by the character, which was my point. And the fact that as a community dont set the bar higher is beyond me. We should be arguing for balance for all. Mkx problem mainly is it became a game of russian roulette mixed with paper rock scissors, to many 50 50, was a pure guessing game, too much so, and whoever had the best dirt, i.e. guesswork, won. Sometimes it felt like playing the lottery based on reading a crystal ball.
I didnt mention the other characters cause i didnt have to, u keep moving the goalpost and im trying to stay focused. A small number of the cast is dominating the rest. It always happens, might always will and my point was we shouldnt settle for it. Enough of the safe bs, make stuff punishible if its thrown out, not safe, make it risk reward and skill based, not free. Its a fighting game and all logic of character power should be tossed for gameplay considerations and balance. And no people were green against bois crow, they didnt put the time in like they would have against the main ones they were liable to find in the tourney, and im not talkin bout just seein the character. These guys hit the lab and practice against strings, pressure, learn to poke, frame data against a lot of the cast, put in real work besides just seein em at a local. They werent ready for crow. I bet they will be at evo. Maybe im wrong like i said we will see at evo, which is y i said evo not another tournament. I hope i eat my words, bois crow was hype and easily best part of that tourney. A buddy and i were cheering loudly for that.
The forrest is clearly visable from the trees, not just air at all. The apologetics need to go. I want this game to be balanced and survive cause its really well made, story, animation, graphics, its fun, but it needs major tuning. People are cutting off streams when aqua, adam, supes etc.. get switched to or play cause their dominance is boring, i dont want that, i want hype, i want people watching. Im sure you do too. If the game was balanced king would never switch from his batman to aqua or adam, and he shouldnt have to.
Wow, not only you're still going on but you clearly show you don't know the history of NRS/WB games. Reptile was excellent in MKX and while he had some bad MU's, none of them were that bad if you knew how to deal with them. All of Reptile's bad MU's were only 6-4 at worst and that's it. I played Reptile since day one, and he could've deal with everyone. Alien BTW wasn't a bad MU to Reptile at all. Noble Illusions also beat Sonic Fox using Reptile at the Kombat Kup finals tournament and there were other plays like Dat Pro Stunner and
@HappyPow, who took first place twice at Majors with Reptile, both before and after the very last patch. D'vorah was also not used by that many players in tournaments, only a select few people used her, and that's because she was very hard to use, despite that she was very strong.
And speaking of Reptile, Poison Ivy is very strong, yet she is very hard to use. Characters can be very easy to use and yet they aren't that strong as some other characters. And Poison is very strong, just very hard to use. And yes I'm dropping her for Sub-Zero but not just because of that alone, I'm an MK fan more then a DC fan and I will always be, and Sub-Zero is an MK character and you can make him look like Reptile by using the Gear system, so it's a lot easier for me to get into Sub-Zero. Also I've even considered to jump into Scarecrow just because I've found him more fun then Ivy, Doctor Fate was also choice I've considered because his projectiles are similar to Reptile's, and Atrocitus was also in my mind because he does look very cool and he has a badass name. And there are other characters I've considered like Green Lantern, Green Arrow (he was my main in IJ1), Batman and Joker. I connect to all of those characters both in terms of gameplay and fun, but Sub-Zero is the easiest for me to do so with out all of those, and if any of those other characters will fill the bad MU's of Sub-Zero, I would just pick the one I like the most out of them and play that character alongside Sub-Zero.
And speaking of character choices, Forever King is someone who is well known to be able to play multiple characters. And yes Batman is his favorite, and I don't know against which characters he decided to not pick Batman against, but he probably picked those other characters against characters that Batman, who is one of the stronger characters in IJ2 (and yes he is good, it's not like he's weak or anything), would have a hard to deal with, just like these characters would've hard MU's as well too.
Also for Milky, You're saying
QUOTE="milky situation hit top 8 with reptile then people really learned the matchup and it became the usual bunch, mileena, alien, tanya etc.."[/QUOTE]
How does that make any sense? People got to use the "usual bunch" just because Milky used Reptile at EVO? And the whole thing about at which after patch people have used this and character, that's only because people, just like you, were to much of crybabies and wanted NRS to patch the game just to make it easier for them, rather then go to the lab and check things out. But the characters were viable, people were just lazy and put all of the blame on the character. I never had that feeling about Reptile no matter how many I've lost to certain players, I knew it was me, not that character, because I knew how good Reptile is, and I've got some amazing wins with him as well including full sets, both casual and tournament sets, against characters such as GM Sub, Impostor Shinnok, Sektor Triborg, Hellfire Scorpion, Master of Souls Ermac, Piercing Mileena etc, all who are hard MU's for Reptile, and also other characters that were top tier in general like Alien, D'Vorah and Quan Chi, and I've beaten them all. And about the lab, I've checked a lot of things at the lab and I've found some stuff that not many people are aware of with Reptile in MKX, just like I've made my combo video for Ivy to show some simple combos for her because she is very hard to use, and I've found some really good ones. We all were matured as a community and we want to check things before begging for patches. NRS also not going to patch this game until after EVO because of that reason. I've seen that even in the Street Fighter community, people don't wanna go to the lab and they are just crying things like "there are no footsies in SFV".
But what makes you're case even worse is that you want NRS to patch the game now just for the sake of spectating the game. Aside from the fact that the game IS INDEED MORE BALANCED then most other fighters in recent years, your whole case is stupid, sorry but that's the truth. Just because you see some characters more then others that's not what's gonna kill a game. Every fighting game is gonna have characters that are more accessible to use then others, that's not saying that other characters aren't viable. Especially that Poison Ivy was at the Combo Breaker Top 8 and Scarecrow took CEO.
What needs to go away aren't the "apologists", but the haters like you. IJ2 is very hype, just like MKX was extremely hyped. IJ2 is still relevantly new, and people can discover to encounter those bad MU's for their characters, yet the game is still hyped. And if that's not good enough for you, tough shit, learn to deal with it.
I'm done, this time for real.