Rate Your Character (Injustice 2 Edition)

[Bender]

The up play

What points specifically? His neutral I could see the argument for a 3, but I would disagree with anything else being lower.

 

[Brown Cow 54]

I made a list based on the average rating of each character so far and put it in order. The format is this:

Rank. Character: Average Rating [Range] (Number of ratings)

I excluded anything that I felt was an outlier (such as a certain GL rating) and although I didn't really agree with the Brainiac rating it was the only one there.

Spoiler: Rank List

1. Catwoman: 23.38 [23-24] (4)
2. Black Adam: 22.88 [20-25] (4)
3. Aquaman: 22.75 [22.5-23] (2)
4. Batman: 22.5 [21-23] (4)
5. Atrocitus: 22 [22] (1)
6. Superman: 21.8 [21-23] (5)
7. Wonder Woman: 20 [19-21] (2)
8. Darkseid: 19.75 [19-20.5] (2)
9. Black Canary: 19.67 [18-22] (3)
10. Harley Quinn: 19.25 [19-19.5] (2)
11. Green Arrow: 18.75 [17.5-20] (2)
12. Red Hood: 18.67 [17-20] (6)
T13. Scarecrow: 18.5 [18-19] (6)
T13. Deadshot: 18.5 [18-19] (2)
15. Bane: 18.13 [16.5-19] (4)
16. Dr. Fate: 17.75 [15-21] (4)
17. Poison Ivy: 17.63 [16.5-19] (4)
18. Blue Beetle: 17.5 [17-18] (2)
19. Green Lantern: 17.4 [17-18] (5)
20. Firestorm: 17 [17] (1)
21. The Flash: 16.88 [16-17.5] (4)
22. Supergirl: 16.33 [16-17] (3)
23. Cheetah: 16.2 [15-17] (5)
T24. Cyborg: 16 [16] (1)
T24. Robin: 16 [16] (1)
26. Gorilla Grodd: 14.75 [14.5-15] (2)
27. Captain Cold: 13.67 [12-16] (3)
28. The Joker: 12 [11-13] (2)
29. Swamp Thing: 11.5 [10-12.5] (5)
30. Brainiac: 8 [8] (1)

Most Optimistic Community - Wonder Woman
Most Pessimistic Community - Green Lantern
Most Split Community - Dr. Fate
Most Unanimous Community - Scarecrow

 

[tafka Djinn]

I made a list based on the average rating of each character so far and put it in order. The format is this:

Rank. Character: Average Rating [Range] (Number of ratings)

I excluded anything that I felt was an outlier (such as a certain GL rating) and although I didn't really agree with the Brainiac rating it was the only one there.

Spoiler: Rank List

1. Catwoman: 23.38 [23-24] (4)
2. Black Adam: 22.88 [20-25] (4)
3. Aquaman: 22.75 [22.5-23] (2)
4. Batman: 22.5 [21-23] (4)
5. Atrocitus: 22 [22] (1)
6. Superman: 21.8 [21-23] (5)
7. Wonder Woman: 20 [19-21] (2)
8. Black Canary: 19.67 [18-22] (3)
9. Harly Quinn: 19.25 [19-19.5] (2)
10. Darkseid: 19 [19] (1)
11. Green Arrow: 18.75 [17.5-20] (2)
12. Red Hood: 18.67 [17-20] (6)
T13. Scarecrow: 18.5 [18-19] (6)
T13. Deadshot: 18.5 [18-19] (2)
15. Bane: 18.13 [16.5-19] (4)
16. Dr. Fate: 17.75 [15-21] (4)
17. Poison Ivy: 17.63 [16.5-19] (4)
18. Blue Beetle: 17.5 [17-18] (2)
19. Green Lantern: 17.4 [17-18] (5)
20. Firestorm: 17 [17] (1)
21. The Flash: 16.88 [16-17.5] (4)
22. Supergirl: 16.33 [16-17] (3)
23. Cheetah: 16.2 [15-17] (5)
T24. Cyborg: 16 [16] (1)
T24. Robin: 16 [16] (1)
26. Gorilla Grodd: 14.75 [14.5-15] (2)
27. Captain Cold: 13.67 [12-16] (3)
28. The Joker: 12 [11-13] (2)
29. Swamp Thing: 11.5 [10-12.5] (5)
30. Brainiac: 8 [8] (1)

Most Optimistic Community - Wonder Woman
Most Pessimistic Community - Green Lantern
Most Split Community - Dr. Fate
Most Unanimous Community - Scarecrow

If there is a god, you're doin' their work.

 

[M2Dave]

If there is a god, you're doin' their work.

Amen.

Brown Cow's information has been added to the original post.

 

[MidTierHarley]

I made a list based on the average rating of each character so far and put it in order. The format is this:

Rank. Character: Average Rating [Range] (Number of ratings)

I excluded anything that I felt was an outlier (such as a certain GL rating) and although I didn't really agree with the Brainiac rating it was the only one there.

Spoiler: Rank List

1. Catwoman: 23.38 [23-24] (4)
2. Black Adam: 22.88 [20-25] (4)
3. Aquaman: 22.75 [22.5-23] (2)
4. Batman: 22.5 [21-23] (4)
5. Atrocitus: 22 [22] (1)
6. Superman: 21.8 [21-23] (5)
7. Wonder Woman: 20 [19-21] (2)
8. Black Canary: 19.67 [18-22] (3)
9. Harly Quinn: 19.25 [19-19.5] (2)
10. Darkseid: 19 [19] (1)
11. Green Arrow: 18.75 [17.5-20] (2)
12. Red Hood: 18.67 [17-20] (6)
T13. Scarecrow: 18.5 [18-19] (6)
T13. Deadshot: 18.5 [18-19] (2)
15. Bane: 18.13 [16.5-19] (4)
16. Dr. Fate: 17.75 [15-21] (4)
17. Poison Ivy: 17.63 [16.5-19] (4)
18. Blue Beetle: 17.5 [17-18] (2)
19. Green Lantern: 17.4 [17-18] (5)
20. Firestorm: 17 [17] (1)
21. The Flash: 16.88 [16-17.5] (4)
22. Supergirl: 16.33 [16-17] (3)
23. Cheetah: 16.2 [15-17] (5)
T24. Cyborg: 16 [16] (1)
T24. Robin: 16 [16] (1)
26. Gorilla Grodd: 14.75 [14.5-15] (2)
27. Captain Cold: 13.67 [12-16] (3)
28. The Joker: 12 [11-13] (2)
29. Swamp Thing: 11.5 [10-12.5] (5)
30. Brainiac: 8 [8] (1)

Most Optimistic Community - Wonder Woman
Most Pessimistic Community - Green Lantern
Most Split Community - Dr. Fate
Most Unanimous Community - Scarecrow

Seeing the deadshot and scarecrow community rate their character so low is kinda sad lol

 

[SaSSolino]

I made a list based on the average rating of each character so far and put it in order. The format is this:

Rank. Character: Average Rating [Range] (Number of ratings)

I excluded anything that I felt was an outlier (such as a certain GL rating) and although I didn't really agree with the Brainiac rating it was the only one there.

Spoiler: Rank List

1. Catwoman: 23.38 [23-24] (4)
2. Black Adam: 22.88 [20-25] (4)
3. Aquaman: 22.75 [22.5-23] (2)
4. Batman: 22.5 [21-23] (4)
5. Atrocitus: 22 [22] (1)
6. Superman: 21.8 [21-23] (5)
7. Wonder Woman: 20 [19-21] (2)
8. Black Canary: 19.67 [18-22] (3)
9. Harly Quinn: 19.25 [19-19.5] (2)
10. Darkseid: 19 [19] (1)
11. Green Arrow: 18.75 [17.5-20] (2)
12. Red Hood: 18.67 [17-20] (6)
T13. Scarecrow: 18.5 [18-19] (6)
T13. Deadshot: 18.5 [18-19] (2)
15. Bane: 18.13 [16.5-19] (4)
16. Dr. Fate: 17.75 [15-21] (4)
17. Poison Ivy: 17.63 [16.5-19] (4)
18. Blue Beetle: 17.5 [17-18] (2)
19. Green Lantern: 17.4 [17-18] (5)
20. Firestorm: 17 [17] (1)
21. The Flash: 16.88 [16-17.5] (4)
22. Supergirl: 16.33 [16-17] (3)
23. Cheetah: 16.2 [15-17] (5)
T24. Cyborg: 16 [16] (1)
T24. Robin: 16 [16] (1)
26. Gorilla Grodd: 14.75 [14.5-15] (2)
27. Captain Cold: 13.67 [12-16] (3)
28. The Joker: 12 [11-13] (2)
29. Swamp Thing: 11.5 [10-12.5] (5)
30. Brainiac: 8 [8] (1)

Most Optimistic Community - Wonder Woman
Most Pessimistic Community - Green Lantern
Most Split Community - Dr. Fate
Most Unanimous Community - Scarecrow

Stop downplaying Wonder Woman god

 

[BurdaA]

10. Darkseid: 19 [19] (1)

Great post, thanks! I've been desperate to do this but never found time. Quick question was the darkseid rating from OP included? Never posted my own as I agreed with that one. (I'd downgrade damage to 4.5 unless Adam gets default 6). Sorry if I'm simply misunderstanding the method.

Thanks again!

 

[Crusty]

Red Hood:

Mixups/ Pressure: 5/5. Has overheads and lows in his normals, specials and trait. Has a vortex and plus strings. Can throw the occasional mine out to keep the opponent guessing. His parry can blow up most wakeups. Yep, he's a beast once he gets going.

Zoning/ Counterzoning: 4/5. He's more of a counter zoner imo, but has a bunch of tools to get in on most of the cast. He can full screen punish characters like AM with his mb df3. Mine + upstars cover most of the screen and the mine is a great tool in general. I'm tempted to give a 5, but there are just too great zoners in this game lol.

Neutral: 4/5. I actually think he has one of the better neutrals in the game. His spacing is a little awkward to get used to, but b2, b13, f2, b3 and mid screen mines control a lot of space. His df3 can whiff punish nicely. Pretty good d1 and d2 as well. He also has great mids so if people are trying to low profile , 22 or 32 is a great answer

Defensive Options: 4/5. Close mines to protect himself, decent wakeup in a game with a lot of shit wake ups, can low profile some mid projectiles with b3 cancels, two parries, good anti airs. He can be very hard to get in on if he has a life lead or wins the zoning war matchup.

Damage: 3/5. Has good corner damage, which is where you want to take the game in most matchups. Midscreen is kinda meh, but you can just choose to pressure, restand or use a bounce interactive until you get them to the corner, so I don't think his damage is an issue at all. If this was damage / setups category, I'd give him a 5.

Total: 20/25

I think he's right around the number 10 spot.

What points specifically? His neutral I could see the argument for a 3, but I would disagree with anything else being lower.

Some of this stuff you have to actually read the op for as it has specific requirements.

1) 50/50s and/or pressure
I would deduct a point from here because the actual risk-reward ratio for his trait mixups is actually pretty meh for the most part (see my post for a better understanding of this). Some people forget that just because a character has a vortex, it doesn't mean they necessarily have mixups. Lastly, since nothing is guaranteed for him compared to other pressure characters, that prevents this from attaining a perfect score.

2) zoning and antizoning
A good counter zoner implies even better zoners have to come to him which is definitely not the case for Red Hood. I'd take at least half a point off. Red Hood's counter zoning is decent with lunge and akimbo blaze but both moves while good have their flaws. None of his tools are even designed to keep the opponent out.

3) neutral
I'd actually bump this to a 5 because he has what the top tier have.

4) defense
It is unanimously accepted amongst the red Hood community that his defense is the area he lacks in. Furthermore, his wakeup is decent at best and mines aren't a criteria you should be judging his defense by. I'd suggest reading the op and mine and @CrazyFingers posts. I'd deduct this by 2 points.

5) I actually agree here on the score but there is one grip I have with your reasoning. His damage in the corner vs midscreen is not that great in difference. Furthermore damage is only factored by combo potential meterless and one bar. Resets don't factor.

I'd suggest reading the criterion in the op so you know where I'm coming from with my points. Hope you get a better understanding.

 

[x TeeJay o]

but i could just read your wakeup or go for pressure or hope my d1 beats theirs against 7f characters and just have to block against the 6f characters so i lose my turn for using my own move great. i understand your points but when you compare these to what the rest of the cast that has a that has a restand it is underwhelming.

K I give up. You win. Supergirl is bottom two literally the worst next to swampy.

 

[Brown Cow 54]

Great post, thanks! I've been desperate to do this but never found time. Quick question was the darkseid rating from OP included? Never posted my own as I agreed with that one. (I'd downgrade damage to 4.5 unless Adam gets default 6). Sorry if I'm simply misunderstanding the method.

Thanks again!

Well shit I did skip right past M2Daves darkseid rating. What a failure. With that it would bump darkseid up to a 19.75 and number 8.

 

[Superman64]

K I give up. You win. Supergirl is bottom two literally the worst next to swampy.

Your still uplaying Supergirl way too much she is definitely worse than bottom 1 maybe even negative a character lol. In all seriousness i think she is around the middle of the pack.

 

[DubiousShenron]

K I give up. You win. Supergirl is bottom two literally the worst next to swampy.

It's not worth it, I've had it out with these supergirl players before. They'll fight to the bitter end to say she's in a bad place rn

 

[BurdaA]

Well shit I did skip right past M2Daves darkseid rating. What a failure. With that it would bump darkseid up to a 19.75 and number 8.

No worries, it was easily missed being just under the explanatory ratings. Sorry to be "that guy"

I probably wouldn't have noticed if he wasn't my main. I was a little surprised to see him as low as 10, as I take constant grief for maining a "top-tier" (decided from trailer... that back-hand b3 tho!!)

Stirling work dude, nonetheless. Cheers!

 

[Superman64]

In my opinion Supergirl players are not downplaying the people that dont play her are uplaying. If she was is such a good spot why did Scar drop her once he got the chance. Why do you see no supergirls placing at tournaments if their is any supergirls at all. Multiple pros have spoke on what is the problem with the character. Supergirl is a character that looks good on paper and is good against people who don't know the match up. Like when i don't get punished for doing breath on block because people don't know how to punish it. Or I do b123 on block still dont get punished. People get hit by mb teleport or dont punish it. she has gimicky mix ups with f3 but the things is all of these things are gimmick and and against someone who knows the match up everything because harder now your have spend meter to be safe, cant really ever use teleports, 112 got to hope you dont get d1'd or something for trying to pressure. Now Im not saying Supergirl is trash by any means but nowhere near the point where she would be top 5. She is not even right outside top 10 imo. All Supergirl mains ask is for simple buffs that alot of the higher tier and even some of the lower tier characters have. We want safety we dont want to be punishable for trying to play our game plan, get rid of the gaps in her strings, or Increase her damage because the risk she take is not worth the reward. Were not asking for all of these buff but 1 or 2 of these would go along way. When you talk about fairness with a character you think (high risk, high reward), (Low risk, low reward), but no one is going to come out and say (High risk, low reward) is fair unless their really bias. Supergirl players arent downplaying everyone else is uplaying.

 

[M2Dave]

Well shit I did skip right past M2Daves darkseid rating. What a failure. With that it would bump darkseid up to a 19.75 and number 8.

No big deal. I made the correction in the original post.

Spoiler: Rank List

1. Catwoman: 23.38 [23-24] (4)
2. Black Adam: 22.88 [20-25] (4)
3. Aquaman: 22.75 [22.5-23] (2)
4. Batman: 22.5 [21-23] (4)
5. Atrocitus: 22 [22] (1)
6. Superman: 21.8 [21-23] (5)
7. Wonder Woman: 20 [19-21] (2)
8. Darkseid: 19.75 [19-20.5] (2)
9. Black Canary: 19.67 [18-22] (3)
10. Harly Quinn: 19.25 [19-19.5] (2)
11. Green Arrow: 18.75 [17.5-20] (2)
12. Red Hood: 18.67 [17-20] (6)
T13. Scarecrow: 18.5 [18-19] (6)
T13. Deadshot: 18.5 [18-19] (2)
15. Bane: 18.13 [16.5-19] (4)
16. Dr. Fate: 17.75 [15-21] (4)
17. Poison Ivy: 17.63 [16.5-19] (4)
18. Blue Beetle: 17.5 [17-18] (2)
19. Green Lantern: 17.4 [17-18] (5)
20. Firestorm: 17 [17] (1)
21. The Flash: 16.88 [16-17.5] (4)
22. Supergirl: 16.33 [16-17] (3)
23. Cheetah: 16.2 [15-17] (5)
T24. Cyborg: 16 [16] (1)
T24. Robin: 16 [16] (1)
26. Gorilla Grodd: 14.75 [14.5-15] (2)
27. Captain Cold: 13.67 [12-16] (3)
28. The Joker: 12 [11-13] (2)
29. Swamp Thing: 11.5 [10-12.5] (5)
30. Brainiac: 8 [8] (1)

Most Optimistic Community - Wonder Woman
Most Pessimistic Community - Green Lantern
Most Split Community - Dr. Fate
Most Unanimous Community - Scarecrow

I have to ask, are Wonder Woman and Black Canary ranked too high and are Scarecrow and Deadshot ranked too low?

 

[Brown Cow 54]

No big deal. I made the correction in the original post.

Spoiler: Rank List

1. Catwoman: 23.38 [23-24] (4)
2. Black Adam: 22.88 [20-25] (4)
3. Aquaman: 22.75 [22.5-23] (2)
4. Batman: 22.5 [21-23] (4)
5. Atrocitus: 22 [22] (1)
6. Superman: 21.8 [21-23] (5)
7. Wonder Woman: 20 [19-21] (2)
8. Darkseid: 19.75 [19-20.5] (2)
9. Black Canary: 19.67 [18-22] (3)
10. Harly Quinn: 19.25 [19-19.5] (2)
11. Green Arrow: 18.75 [17.5-20] (2)
12. Red Hood: 18.67 [17-20] (6)
T13. Scarecrow: 18.5 [18-19] (6)
T13. Deadshot: 18.5 [18-19] (2)
15. Bane: 18.13 [16.5-19] (4)
16. Dr. Fate: 17.75 [15-21] (4)
17. Poison Ivy: 17.63 [16.5-19] (4)
18. Blue Beetle: 17.5 [17-18] (2)
19. Green Lantern: 17.4 [17-18] (5)
20. Firestorm: 17 [17] (1)
21. The Flash: 16.88 [16-17.5] (4)
22. Supergirl: 16.33 [16-17] (3)
23. Cheetah: 16.2 [15-17] (5)
T24. Cyborg: 16 [16] (1)
T24. Robin: 16 [16] (1)
26. Gorilla Grodd: 14.75 [14.5-15] (2)
27. Captain Cold: 13.67 [12-16] (3)
28. The Joker: 12 [11-13] (2)
29. Swamp Thing: 11.5 [10-12.5] (5)
30. Brainiac: 8 [8] (1)

Most Optimistic Community - Wonder Woman
Most Pessimistic Community - Green Lantern
Most Split Community - Dr. Fate
Most Unanimous Community - Scarecrow

I have to ask, are Wonder Woman and Black Canary ranked too high and are Scarecrow and Deadshot ranked too low?

In my opinion yes, but I was just going off the ratings people had posted.

 

[x TeeJay o]

In my opinion Supergirl players are not downplaying the people that dont play her are uplaying. If she was is such a good spot why did Scar drop her once he got the chance. Why do you see no supergirls placing at tournaments if their is any supergirls at all. Multiple pros have spoke on what is the problem with the character. Supergirl is a character that looks good on paper and is good against people who don't know the match up. Like when i don't get punished for doing breath on block because people don't know how to punish it. Or I do b123 on block still dont get punished. People get hit by mb teleport or dont punish it. she has gimicky mix ups with f3 but the things is all of these things are gimmick and and against someone who knows the match up everything because harder now your have spend meter to be safe, cant really ever use teleports, 112 got to hope you dont get d1'd or something for trying to pressure. Now Im not saying Supergirl is trash by any means but nowhere near the point where she would be top 5. She is not even right outside top 10 imo. All Supergirl mains ask is for simple buffs that alot of the higher tier and even some of the lower tier characters have. We want safety we dont want to be punishable for trying to play our game plan, get rid of the gaps in her strings, or Increase her damage because the risk she take is not worth the reward. Were not asking for all of these buff but 1 or 2 of these would go along way. When you talk about fairness with a character you think (high risk, high reward), (Low risk, low reward), but no one is going to come out and say (High risk, low reward) is fair unless their really bias. Supergirl players arent downplaying everyone else is uplaying.

Bro. Nobody said she was top tier. Nobody said she was top 5 or top 10. We all know she isn't an amazing character and honestly there's a few good characters that arent used in tournament. That doesn't mean they aren't good it just means the top 3 are much better off. Who the hell would play supergirl in tournament over black adam and Aquaman? Lmao. That doesn't mean she's awful. I dont think I'm up playing her I truly believe she's a decent character that could use slight help.

I have to ask, are Wonder Woman and Black Canary ranked too high and are Scarecrow and Deadshot ranked too low?

Actually I think these 2 are kinda underrated

 

[Bender]

Some of this stuff you have to actually read the op for as it has specific requirements.

1) 50/50s and/or pressure
I would deduct a point from here because the actual risk-reward ratio for his trait mixups is actually pretty meh for the most part (see my post for a better understanding of this). Some people forget that just because a character has a vortex, it doesn't mean they necessarily have mixups. Lastly, since nothing is guaranteed for him compared to other pressure characters, that prevents this from attaining a perfect score.

2) zoning and antizoning
A good counter zoner implies even better zoners have to come to him which is definitely not the case for Red Hood. I'd take at least half a point off. Red Hood's counter zoning is decent with lunge and akimbo blaze but both moves while good have their flaws. None of his tools are even designed to keep the opponent out.

3) neutral
I'd actually bump this to a 5 because he has what the top tier have.

4) defense
It is unanimously accepted amongst the red Hood community that his defense is the area he lacks in. Furthermore, his wakeup is decent at best and mines aren't a criteria you should be judging his defense by. I'd suggest reading the op and mine and @CrazyFingers posts. I'd deduct this by 2 points.

5) I actually agree here on the score but there is one grip I have with your reasoning. His damage in the corner vs midscreen is not that great in difference. Furthermore damage is only factored by combo potential meterless and one bar. Resets don't factor.

I'd suggest reading the criterion in the op so you know where I'm coming from with my points. Hope you get a better understanding.

Thanks! I thought you were going to blow me up - a lot of people think this character is trash for some reason.

1. I see your point, but his trait isn't his only mixups though and the chip, corner push and safety of the mb OH option Is fantastic. Yeah, maybe you can fuzzy most of his other mixups, but he has decent stagger pressure and plus normals which a lot of characters don't get. His mine pressure is also really really good and can lead to HTB's which only a handful of characters have.

2. Yeah that's fair, he still has to get in on the top zoners, but he has way more options than most of the cast to do so. The opponent really has to guess when he's half scree if he'll air akimbo, lunge, throw a mine or just play it patient. As for keeping the cast out, he has mines, upstars,can lunge away and has great walk speed and whiff punishing options.

3. Curious to hear why a 5. If we're including anti-airs, which I previously put into the defense category I could maybe see it, but still don't feel he is at the same level as AM, SM, Scarecrow and a few others.

4. Yeah, I put a few items in the neutral category here. I tend to block and push block a lot so maybe his defense isn't as good based on just the wake up criteria from the OP. I'd change this to 3, but c'mon, defense should include anti airs! His mb b3 is really good tho, as is his backlash so I wouldn't say he's less than a 3 based on the criteria.

5. Glad we agreed somewhere. In general, there isn't a clear cut category for setplay which is one of RH best categories, so I was tempted to throw it in as a bonus.

I still think he's 19 or 20/ 25 and right around the #10 spot.

Cheers.

 

[Superman64]

Bro. Nobody said she was top tier. Nobody said she was top 5 or top 10. We all know she isn't an amazing character and honestly there's a few good characters that arent used in tournament. That doesn't mean they aren't good it just means the top 3 are much better off. Who the hell would play supergirl in tournament over black adam and Aquaman? Lmao. That doesn't mean she's awful. I dont think I'm up playing her I truly believe she's a decent character that could use slight help.






Actually I think these 2 are kinda underrated

The post wasnt directed to you more of a response to how dubbious shenron was talking about supergirl. Im not saying she needs to do anything its more of the people who pretend like she a very good character and her getting a buff is a ludicrous idea that is what gets me mad like she is not that good she is a fine character but lets not pretend she is a great character.

 

[Superman64]

Darkseid
Pressure/Mix-up: 4.5/5 - Teleport Mixups, Trait
Zoning/Anti-Zoning: 5/5- Air laser, laser knockdown, Teleport
Nuetral: 2.5/5-
Defense:3/5- mbdf3 is plus 2 on block, 2 hit so go through armor, d1 is good, full combo of d2 anti air
Damage: 5/5 j3xxjdf3 is 30% alread his combos uselessly does 40% or greater with ease

20/25

 

[ImperatrixSindel]

Seeing the deadshot and scarecrow community rate their character so low is kinda sad lol

Deadshot community is terrified of nerfs and prone to downplay. Scarecrow community is still adjusting to their supposedly low-tier main winning the biggest major to date and being completely reappraised.

I have to ask, are Wonder Woman and Black Canary ranked too high and are Scarecrow and Deadshot ranked too low?

Can't speak to WoWo but I think Canary is actually very slept on right now.

 

[Crusty]

Thanks! I thought you were going to blow me up - a lot of people think this character is trash for some reason.

1. I see your point, but his trait isn't his only mixups though and the chip, corner push and safety of the mb OH option Is fantastic. Yeah, maybe you can fuzzy most of his other mixups, but he has decent stagger pressure and plus normals which a lot of characters don't get. His mine pressure is also really really good and can lead to HTB's which only a handful of characters have.

2. Yeah that's fair, he still has to get in on the top zoners, but he has way more options than most of the cast to do so. The opponent really has to guess when he's half scree if he'll air akimbo, lunge, throw a mine or just play it patient. As for keeping the cast out, he has mines, upstars,can lunge away and has great walk speed and whiff punishing options.

3. Curious to hear why a 5. If we're including anti-airs, which I previously put into the defense category I could maybe see it, but still don't feel he is at the same level as AM, SM, Scarecrow and a few others.

4. Yeah, I put a few items in the neutral category here. I tend to block and push block a lot so maybe his defense isn't as good based on just the wake up criteria from the OP. I'd change this to 3, but c'mon, defense should include anti airs! His mb b3 is really good tho, as is his backlash so I wouldn't say he's less than a 3 based on the criteria.

5. Glad we agreed somewhere. In general, there isn't a clear cut category for setplay which is one of RH best categories, so I was tempted to throw it in as a bonus.

I still think he's 19 or 20/ 25 and right around the #10 spot.

Cheers.

Haha...

I'm largely unbiased about my character and I have no reason to blow anybody up (unless you annoy me to death). I'll direct you to my post. Click here

1) I highly recommend reading my post for this one. I'm perfectly aware of what he has. Unknown to many though, if he does the MB option off trait the last hit can be backdashed. Though to be fair, I have been contemplating making it 4.5/5 because while his pressure is decent midscreen its pretty oppressive in the corner once you know what to do. Its even harder to deal with it if you have mines out. However, at the end of the day Red Hood's pressure isn't guaranteed as even though he has options to cover his holes, he still has the holes regardless. Red Hood's pressure is less dependent on plus frames and more so his staggers. His pressure isn't foolproof or guaranteed and thats the reason why. I look at it midscreen and corner. His setplay isn't offense, its literally setup after a knockdown or any touch he has on the opponent.

2) He has more options than most but at the end of the day, he's the one that approaches them despite having capable counter-zoning. Again, read my post.

3) Red Hood has advancing normals, with only one of them being hitconfirmable. He has a good array of anti-airs and air-to-airs. See my post for more info. Though I may need to look at consider making this a 4/5 or a 4.5/5 since he cannot anti-air aquaman or anyone else with a jump in that has a disjointed hitbox consistently.

4) When I think defense, I think "Oh shit I'm about to be pressured on knockdown. What are my options?" Red Hood's wakeup is bad without meter and if its read can be punished hard and if the opponent knows the mu he can still be punished if its mb since the shots are high. He has a 6 frame d1 but it can be low profiled with low hitting d1s. The only things that save him are his great b3, good backdash and his semi-decent f3. Check my post for more reference. If either his d1 was changed or his wakeup game was better he'd get at least a 3.

5) Damage from resets/setups add up but the point is how hard does he hit both meterlessly and for one bar.

Look forward to your response

 

[SaSSolino]

Deadshot community is terrified of nerfs and prone to downplay. Scarecrow community is still adjusting to their supposedly low-tier main winning the biggest major to date and being completely reappraised.


Can't speak to WoWo but I think Canary is actually very slept on right now.

I agree with you on everything, however I don't think scarecrow goes above mid tier. Whiteboy just played like a god at CEO.

 

[ImperatrixSindel]

I agree with you on everything, however I don't think scarecrow goes above mid tier. Whiteboy just played like a god at CEO.

I have no particular opinion on how good Scarecrow is, I just think his community is in a state of flux right now after that showing proved he was viable.

 

[Dankster Morgan]

No big deal. I made the correction in the original post.

Spoiler: Rank List

1. Catwoman: 23.38 [23-24] (4)
2. Black Adam: 22.88 [20-25] (4)
3. Aquaman: 22.75 [22.5-23] (2)
4. Batman: 22.5 [21-23] (4)
5. Atrocitus: 22 [22] (1)
6. Superman: 21.8 [21-23] (5)
7. Wonder Woman: 20 [19-21] (2)
8. Darkseid: 19.75 [19-20.5] (2)
9. Black Canary: 19.67 [18-22] (3)
10. Harly Quinn: 19.25 [19-19.5] (2)
11. Green Arrow: 18.75 [17.5-20] (2)
12. Red Hood: 18.67 [17-20] (6)
T13. Scarecrow: 18.5 [18-19] (6)
T13. Deadshot: 18.5 [18-19] (2)
15. Bane: 18.13 [16.5-19] (4)
16. Dr. Fate: 17.75 [15-21] (4)
17. Poison Ivy: 17.63 [16.5-19] (4)
18. Blue Beetle: 17.5 [17-18] (2)
19. Green Lantern: 17.4 [17-18] (5)
20. Firestorm: 17 [17] (1)
21. The Flash: 16.88 [16-17.5] (4)
22. Supergirl: 16.33 [16-17] (3)
23. Cheetah: 16.2 [15-17] (5)
T24. Cyborg: 16 [16] (1)
T24. Robin: 16 [16] (1)
26. Gorilla Grodd: 14.75 [14.5-15] (2)
27. Captain Cold: 13.67 [12-16] (3)
28. The Joker: 12 [11-13] (2)
29. Swamp Thing: 11.5 [10-12.5] (5)
30. Brainiac: 8 [8] (1)

Most Optimistic Community - Wonder Woman
Most Pessimistic Community - Green Lantern
Most Split Community - Dr. Fate
Most Unanimous Community - Scarecrow

I have to ask, are Wonder Woman and Black Canary ranked too high and are Scarecrow and Deadshot ranked too low?

I think WoWo isn't top ten whatsoever but she also isn't ass like some say. Canary is anywhere from 10-14 imo, very good character. Deadshot is top ten free and Scarecrow probably is around 8-10.