Injustice 2 is a Problematic Game

[Clark L.]

Only we, the pros, know how to use them.

I'm not a pro.

 

[CrimsonShadow]

1. Waaaaah. You're just a crybaby!
   1. Thanks for your helpful response and for promoting active discussion on the site, @CrimsonShadow. With mods like you, I can't imagine why people are fleeing TYM en masse to discuss things on private Discord servers. I thought TYM was a forum for discussing the game, but you're the mod, so I guess I'll defer to your judgement. I expect that kind of response from many of the less-respected TYM members, but I'm genuinely disappointed to see it coming from you.

Phew, I believe that covers just about everything that was brought up. Again, thanks for keeping this discussion civil and constructive.

This is your third "Sky is Falling" thread in under a month. When people talk about the posters being toxic, you calling the game a piece of shit and crying that the game is full of 8/2 matchups because you don't like your Batman MU is exactly what they're speaking about.

First it's a 10/0 matchup (now I guess you've upgraded it to 8-2) and now the entire game is trash. It's like the TYM equivalent of watching Trump's election campaign

After all this, you'd like to blame others for the fact that Discord is convenient to use, without realizing that threads like yours are the ones everyone cites as justification for wanting to discuss their characters in peace.

In amy case, you're lucky that I have more patience with you than others probably would. But patience isn't unlimited; and so if you continue bashing the developer, the game and the staff, you'll find yourself at the end of it soon.

You need to find a less-extremist way to make your points. So take this as a diplomatically-worded word of caution. Figure out how to dial it back and get your message across.

 

[KingHippo]

and so if you continue bashing the developer, the game and the staff, you'll find yourself at the end of it soon.

C'mon dude, there's no need for that. He's entitled to his opinion and his right to post on a public forum, so if he happens to expose himself as a massive scrub via threads like this, who cares? Either you get a juicy discussion or he gets roasted properly, what's the issue?

 

[Agilaz]

C'mon dude, there's no need for that. He's entitled to his opinion and his right to post on a public forum, so if he happens to expose himself as a massive scrub via threads like this, who cares? Either you get a juicy discussion or he gets roasted properly, what's the issue?

I can't speak for CS, but to chime in - this type of thread is flat-out depressing. That in combination with rising use of Discord (or perhaps, the declining use of the forums) just results in somewhat of a toxic atmosphere - something the NRS community already has infamy for.

Everybody should be free to express their opinion, but there are better ways to do so than OP's.

 

[RoboCop]

This is your third "Sky is Falling" thread in under a month. When people talk about the posters being toxic, you calling the game a piece of shit and crying that the game is full of 8/2 matchups because you don't like your Batman MU is exactly what they're speaking about.

First it's a 10/0 matchup (now I guess you've upgraded it to 8-2) and now the entire game is trash. It's like the TYM equivalent of watching Trump's election campaign

After all this, you'd like to blame others for the fact that Discord is convenient to use, without realizing that threads like yours are the ones everyone cites as justification for wanting to discuss their characters in peace.

In amy case, you're lucky that I have more patience with you than others probably would. But patience isn't unlimited; and so if you continue bashing the developer, the game and the staff, you'll find yourself at the end of it soon.

You need to find a less-extremist way to make your points. So take this as a diplomatically-worded word of caution. Figure out how to dial it back and get your message across.

Phew, let's break this down:

1. Not sure what the 3rd one is, unless you're referring to my Deadshot thread, which was purely trying to bridge the gap between the pro and anti Deadshot players. Never called for nerfs, never called him overpowered, just pointed out how it was weird that for such a strong zoner, he sure had some amazing rushdown tools. I believe my exact words were "he's going to get nerfed, so the zoning zealots better hope they nerf his rushdown and not his zoning". Sounds reasonable enough to me.
2. You bring up my complaint threads and focus on them while completely ignoring all of the good I do on TYM. I answer questions almost 24/7 and have arguably the most helpful and complete character guide on all of TYM in my Ultimate Cheetah guide (and MK9 Kano guide and Injstice Deathstroke guide and MKX Jacqui guide and MKX Jax guide...). But fine, I'm just a toxic poster crying for nerfs and driving everyone away.
3. The game being a piece of shit is an opinion. As a public forum, we are allowed to voice our opinions. Whether or not you agree with the MU discussion, you can't ignore the Input Bug. Even if it's not a bug (#workingasintended), it's a horrible design. I'd say that's a reasonable position.
4. Using words like "crying" is toxic. That's writing off any and all discussions, arguments, and ideas as unjustified whining. It shuts down the discussion completely. I would expect an admin to be more tactful.
5. Assuming this all has to do with the Cheetah/Batman MU is just that, an assumption. That matchup is one example, but I have others in mind. I'm not sharing them because I do want to see how things play out, but at the moment I feel there are more than a few exceptionally lopsided matchups in this game.
6. This thread has nothing to do with specific characters. It's not getting in the way of anyone discussing their characters, so not sure what point you're trying to make here about Discord. I've opened the doors for constructive discussion. If a member doesn't like what I have to say, they are free to ignore this thread completely. It has zero bearing on the rest of the site. That said, it appears that there are plenty of TYM members who do agree with me, so I would consider this thread a valid addition to the TYM forums.
7. I'll find myself at the end of what soon? You're going to ban a forum member for voicing their opinion? What rules am I breaking? Is there a TYM rule that you can't shit talk the developer when they make you pay $60 or $100 for a broken game and then expect you to pay them more money? I'm genuinely asking: Am I breaking any TYM rules in this thread? If so, I will correct the offending post immediately. If not, you are literally threatening a TYM member for doing exactly what TYM was made for, just because you disagree with it. If you really want to compare anything to the way Donald Trump conducts himself, I'd put that right at the top of the list.

In the end, we all want the same thing: a fun, balanced, functioning fighting game.

 

[KingHippo]

I can't speak for CS, but to chime in - this type of thread is flat-out depressing. That in combination with rising use of Discord (or perhaps, the declining use of the forums) just results in somewhat of a toxic atmosphere - something the NRS community already has infamy for.

Everybody should be free to express their opinion, but there are better ways to do so than OP's.

The environment's only toxic if no one is calling out the lunacy. Stating that the game is full of 8-2 MU is, at this point, lunacy. Do they have a right to say that? Absolutely. Do I have a right to say that they are probably not very good and need an excuse? Absolutely.

 

[navaroNe]

You have a very good point about the gear moves affecting the overall balance of that character. The new characters were created in a way where I feel like a lot of the times if that particular character had a significant overlying weakness then the developer of said character would give them a gear move to help them out in that regard while doing shit all for the character in competitive mode. This wouldn't be a huge problem if it wasn't for the fact that a vast majority of the legacy characters are close to identical to their former selfs and were balanced in a game that didn't have access to extra abilities so they were balanced completely different in a sense so the extra abilities to them are like icing on a cake instead of being that missing piece to complete some of these new characters

 

[KingHippo]

You bring up my complaint threads and focus on them while completely ignoring all of the good I do on TYM. I answer questions almost 24/7 and have arguably the most helpful and complete character guide on all of TYM in my Ultimate Cheetah guide (and MK9 Kano guide and Injstice Deathstroke guide and MKX Jacqui guide and MKX Jax guide...). But fine, I'm just a toxic poster crying for nerfs and driving everyone away.

Wait, wait, you complained about all those characters when they got changed in the same type of hyperbolic and crappy fashion! You said DS got nerfed to "shit tier," which was later shown to be bull just one week later. You have consistently been a looney tune character when it comes to the forums, so more shitposting is really just kind of expected, but don't pretend like writing a guide about how to use normals is suddenly a cure-all to your shitposting.

 

[RoboCop]

I also find it absolutely insane that the same people who keep pointing out how busted every other NRS game was at launch are the very people saying there can't possibly be any 7/3 or 8/2 matchups at this point. What? I'm not trying to call anyone out, that logic just does not make any sense to me.

 

[CrimsonShadow]

C'mon dude, there's no need for that. He's entitled to his opinion and his right to post on a public forum, so if he happens to expose himself as a massive scrub via threads like this, who cares? Either you get a juicy discussion or he gets roasted properly, what's the issue?

The issue is that "Waaaah the developer sucks" threads actually take attention away from the people who are working to make decent topics and share information.

Then it's "Well no one shares information any more", when in fact other good threads will be posted that are simply overshadowed by the rampant screaming and crying and dev-bashing.

There are mature ways to create topics for any line of discussion you can think of. But even I have tolerance limits for people that are constantly clickbating and screaming for attention because things aren't perfectly to their liking.

 

[RoboCop]

Wait, wait, you complained about all those characters when they got changed in the same type of hyperbolic and crappy fashion! You said DS got nerfed to "shit tier," which was later shown to be bull just one week later. You have consistently been a looney tune character when it comes to the forums, so more shitposting is really just kind of expected, but don't pretend like writing a guide about how to use normals is suddenly a cure-all to your shitposting.

I don't remember exactly what I said about Deathstroke at the time, but I do remember the entire Deathstroke community coming to the consensus that he was overly nerfed due to the standard NRS knee-jerk reaction we all know so well.

And say what you will about my guides, but they take a considerable amount of time and effort to put together, all in an effort to help other TYMers better learn the characters. You can shit-talk me all you like, but I don't see you contributing anything to TYM, except to try to shame and shut down anyone voicing an opinion that conflicts with your own.

 

[RoboCop]

The issue is that "Waaaah the developer sucks" threads actually take attention away from the people who are working to make decent topics and share information.

Then it's "Well no one shares information any more", when in fact other good threads will be posted that are simply overshadowed by the rampant screaming and crying and dev-bashing.

There are mature ways to create topics for any line of discussion you can think of. But even I have tolerance limits for people that are constantly clickbating and screaming for attention because things aren't perfectly to their liking.

I think people click on the threads that interest them. I don't know if there is any evidence that threads like mine are hurting TYM. I could make a very good case that TYM needs threads like this. Posted at almost midnight last night, it's up to over 4,500 views already. Almost all of the discussion has been constructive, even with those who vehemently disagree with me, other than toxic, divisive comments made by yourself and a handful of others.

I'd also say that "Injustice 2 is a Problematic Game" is a reasonable and reserved title. I did get overly hostile at some points (which I have already addressed, apologized for, and corrected), but the base arguments remain valid.

I also ask again, considering I was threatened with a ban by TYM admin, what rules did I break? I genuinely want to know so I can avoid breaking those rules in the future (and correct them if there is anything in this thread that is against TYM rules). I take that threat extremely seriously, especially considering I'm a paid premium member of this site. If TYM is willing to take my money and then ban me for posting an opinion that a single admin disagrees with, I think other members should know about it before they too spend any money on this site.

 

[ienjoywinning]

Right , back to discussing stuff instead of trying to argue. I agree with everything you say pretty much (except the 7-3 ,8-2 match ups thing because it's too early to be falling matchups IMO) I've been lucky enough to pick 2 characters I really liked that turned out to be top tier so I'm happy for the most part. But the input problems , and the fact that alot of stuff barely has any hit stun and is really hard to punish some stuff that should be death on block or whiff along with the other issues you mentioned is detering me from the game more and more. I hope when ths first patch comes they fix all these issues and also go easy with nerfing the top tiers and not completely crush the characters. And meanwhile buff the weaker ones etc

 

[RYX]

lul posters are being threatened with bans for making threads

it's too soon to talk about injustice 2

 

[JLU51306]

After spending time reading the thread through, I have some thoughts.

I agree with @karaokelove on a lot of points. His delivery of them was infused with hyperbole, but they are still decent points.
The input bug, the free-app method of slow grinding source crystals, and yes, the feeling that certain characters really got barebones designs so "gear abilities" could be put off to the side to unlock in casual modes.

You can call his points or tone toxic all you want, but I'm glad to see anyone raising these issues, even if it's for the 10th time. It's just a thread, if you find yourself exhausted of the depressing nature, overlook the thread.

I don't agree with the match-up side of things, or refering to the game as "shitty", but I support him in voicing his opinion, however much I disagree with aspects of it.

EDIT: Just to add, I don't see how this is click-bait. It states what most agree is a fact, and the heart of the post addresses real issues, for the most part. Click-bait is something initially eye-catching, that leads to misleading nonsense within, FYI.

 

[KingHippo]

I don't remember exactly what I said about Deathstroke at the time, but I do remember the entire Deathstroke community coming to the consensus that he was overly nerfed due to the standard NRS knee-jerk reaction we all know so well.

And say what you will about my guides, but they take a considerable amount of time and effort to put together, all in an effort to help other TYMers better learn the characters. You can shit-talk me all you like, but I don't see you contributing anything to TYM, except to try to shame and shut down anyone voicing an opinion that conflicts with your own.

I have contributed things, but that doesn't really matter. What I was saying was that posting guides or things of that nature is not indicative of even a modicum of skill at the game. Professionals are paid to write guides for all sorts of games, doesn't make them an expert on them. So you using that as an indication that your shitposting is not without merit is erroneous.

So to me, this egregious shitposting is either A. Done for attention and trolling, or B. Done without even the slightest idea that you might in fact be bad at this game and this skews your opinion of high level play. It's probably a little from column A and a little from column B, given the clickbait title and colored text, but also the absolute non knowledge when it comes to how the Gear works and supposed deep MU talk.

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

Again, I ask, is there not a pretty legitimate possibility that the inputs are the way they are because of design? I've pointed out before that there has been some pretty extensive changes to the way the games work in MKX, so why wouldn't they be able to fix it if it was truly a bug?

You don't have to like it (like me, you can find it pretty irritating most of the time), but I think to label it a bug when it's (more than likely) not is a little disingenuous.

When I say "plz fix it" it does imply it's a bug but I know it's probably not. I should be saying "adjust" because most people who play agree it should be adjusted. It seems very unneccesairly problematic

 

[CrimsonShadow]

I also ask again, considering I was threatened with a ban by TYM admin, what rules did I break? I genuinely want to know so I can avoid breaking those rules in the future (and correct them if there is anything in this thread that is against TYM rules). I take that threat extremely seriously, especially considering I'm a paid premium member of this site. If TYM is willing to take my money and then ban me for posting an opinion that a single admin disagrees with, I think other members should know about it before they too spend any money on this site.

Who actually threatened to ban you? Or is this just more hyperbole aimed at starting a row in the hopes of getting people riled up.

And if it's true that you were going to be banned (which I find doubtful), you being Premium or not would make zero difference. Allowing people to buy their way out of a ban isn't fair to anyone.

 

[TakeAChance]

You know when you are in a real great match with your buddies, and you're on defense blocking away and finally get your opening? Then you go to press your punish and get some random special based on the direction you were holding while blocking? Yea. Its groan inducing. It just sucks all the life out of you.

 

[Lt. Boxy Angelman]

This community baffles me.

And people wonder why Sonic Fox hasn't lost an Injustice tournament since like a century ago.

 

[RoboCop]

Who actually threatened to ban you? Or is this just more hyperbole aimed at starting a row in the hopes of getting people riled up.

"In amy case, you're lucky that I have more patience with you than others probably would. But patience isn't unlimited; and so if you continue bashing the developer, the game and the staff, you'll find yourself at the end of it soon."

Well you were either threatening to ban me or murder me, so I'm choosing to give you the benefit of the doubt.

 

[stamatis]

Just focus on what this friend says considering MUs,5 chars beat the whole cast,simple as that.If you want to play competitive you only need 5 chars,if you want to mess around you have more options.Damn

 

[CrimsonShadow]

Well you were either threatening to ban me or murder me, so I'm choosing to give you the benefit of the doubt.

And now you're just being ridiculous.

Deliberately spreading misinformation doesn't help anyone, least of all you.

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

And now you're just being ridiculous.

Deliberately spreading misinformation doesn't help anyone, least of all you.

Yoooooooooooooooo

 

[RoboCop]

And now you're just being ridiculous.

Deliberately spreading misinformation doesn't help anyone, least of all you.

Ok, then what did you mean? If I misinterpreted "you'll find yourself at the end of it soon", then I do sincerely apologize. I don't think I did, though, considering even members who have your back thought that was crossing a line.