He may be referring to 1:01:10 of this video or maybe before that. It's kind of weird because he acknowledged that he was bad, and he says things like "he still maintains what makes him good" even though they got rid of a lot of things that made him good. He also says "we built upon what makes him good so he'll be a lot stronger..." even though they really didn't build upon, they just deleted and inserted other things. I understand that this was a livestream and a promotion of some sorts, but it's a tad bit frustrating to hear an underplaying of what they truly changed in the character
I do think Joker needs help, but he needed it in I1 and never got it.
He did say something along those lines:
Most would argue this was a very very good part of his game. I don't think it was intended to be a "those tools" argument, just arguing that the tools to have something very good were there, just maybe not put together in a decent package.
Well, I think that is pretty much the reason why there seems to be such a disconnect. Could it not be that the developers just think you're wrong? Like maybe the people who were in QA just think his mid range is good?
I do not mean to say that players known for their skill are entirely infallible, but wouldn't it stand to reason when you look at the people who are in QA, the people who play tested, the word of players like SonicFox, etc. that maybe they might have a perspective that you didn't consider?
We've had 4 years to explore the character, we know what we're talking about. And QA testers aren't infallible, they miss huge things all the time. It's getting kind of frustrating to be hearing this all the time. "Oh maybe you guys just haven't figured out the secret trick that'll make your character good yet. Maybe you just haven't researched it."
I'm weak lmfao and you see why I'm getting frustrated with these people? You and @BrianTheBEAST literally explained multiple times to multiple people why he was bad and we've had a long time to figure this character out and they literally hit you with a BS answer and to top it all off, they have no actual knowledge of the Joker, they just sit there and say maybe there's something wrong with you... even when the ENTIRE joker community is complaining. People like that are useless in my personal opinion.
The Joybuzzer is an awesome move as far as counters go. It's the only genuinely good addition to Joker's moveset... although it really shouldn't have come at the cost of his acid flower. While I wish there was a low variation, it's still a powerful move in its own right. I just hope they replace his current trait with some kind of acid flower move.
It's strategy to them. No one wants to see another character rise through the ranks because everyone has enough on their plate between Batman and Black Adam and Superman and a host of other ridiculous characters. They don't want another IJ1 Bane on their hands. The thing is though, Joker REALLY does need help. It isn't some cynical ploy like a lot of folks patronizing us seem to think.
I just kinda see it as ignorant (I don't mean this is a derogatory way). They simply don't know. It does get a little frustrating when I'm supposed to "provide evidence" when I already did. But this is all in the name of Joker, and I'm willing to write paragraph after paragraph explaining why this character needs help.
Yeah I have a friend who has mained joker since inj1. He hates what they did to him
And a PM. This isn't a sudden thread lol. The whole character community thinks he's worse and we've all been labbing him for years. That's why it's annoying when people from other communities try to tell us something about our character as if they've put more time into him than all of us.
If you're on the fence about whether or not we're being condescended to by people who have no idea what they're talking about... exhibit A. Provides no reasons for why he thinks this Joker is better than the last even though we've explained several times (point by point) why that isn't the case, literally calls US ignorant even though he knows way less about our character, assumes we never discussed matchups just because there isn't a thread for it, acts like we haven't had 4 years to discuss the ins and outs of Joker vs the metagame...
"Oh, but you sure have a discord server," was an obvious sarcastic jab. In addition, you said, "This thread shouldn't even exist" because we are "poor folks who don't even have a matchup discussion thread...." Almost your entire post was condescending comments.
You might want to re-read what you wrote the first time then re-read the entire thread. We aren't creating a tier list so here you are false, we are simply stating he is worse then he's ever been AND provided proof multiple times which you obviously missed. And your post defines ignorance, you said he's better and gave literally no proof. Then jabbed our community for a "shabby forum", without knowing how we deal with things. We have a personal message setup for every joker player where we discuss everything and have had it for nearly 4 years. If you're going to comment, give concrete evidence as to why or why not you think the character is bad and not make an ignorant comment like "Oh the character is better then before but I couldn't tell you how or why because I have no knowledge of the character but I'm going to say this anyways."
Thanks for understanding what we're saying lol
Yea, anyone who thinks Joker has the tools or just over play ability to be even top 15 never played the character against Aquaman or Batman. (a very good Aqua or Bats btw).
You hit the nail on the head. We knew what this community's reaction was going to be with this thread and while some of us got more salty the others (me in particular), we literally just want the character to have a fighting chance he didn't have in injustice 1.
you mean brainiac not joker tier
I don't know why this made me laugh but it did lol