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tbh i dont own injustice 2 and have never touched.
. i will take any laughter you have for that, but whatever im a vet and in mkx i explained bloodgods and demolitions potential to tym back when everyone ignored them for war god and covert ops.
Joker does have problems, but I will argue to the death that even with his mediocre neutral, his is better than Cheetahs. Her trait is very good, though, assuming you can get in, as Leap has poor startup and is easy to anti air.
You don't even have the game.... and we touched on that joker from red hot Sunday's. We all watched him and the guy was losing to character unfamiliarity. He was literally getting away with murder and joker, just like any other character, can get into your head. Playing joker requires a lot of skill regardless. I can't believe you don't even have this game.tbh i dont own injustice 2 and have never touched.
i notice stuff has changed, like the nerfed hitbox on j2, which makes crossup a bit different. thats why i hope you guys experiment with stuff like different pushbacks and actually pixel changes in spacing and shimmies, maybe teeth setups that cover his gaps, and how you get those going - which might be by traiting up fullscreen before anything else, using teeth immediately after the unblockable run, if necessary in combination with mbf3, whatever. or how MB roll works with jokers stuff.
ive seen this good joker on red hot sundays and it actually looked solid, not all gimmicks to me. and in the end, strategy also matters a lot. maybe joker just has a super-weird and complex approach to everything that has yet to be discovered.
Cheetah gets in easier and has much better oki.
I appreciate the heck out of your post, not just because it provides practical examples but because I (currently Joke-curious) learned something from it. Unfortunately, it still basically just says he would be better if he was more plus on block, had faster lows, better hit boxes, and more damage. A statement that could apply generically to every character ever. Doesn't say who is beating him, how or why, just "it's bad, fix it."
tbh i dont own injustice 2 and have never touched.
i notice stuff has changed, like the nerfed hitbox on j2, which makes crossup a bit different. thats why i hope you guys experiment with stuff like different pushbacks and actually pixel changes in spacing and shimmies, maybe teeth setups that cover his gaps, and how you get those going - which might be by traiting up fullscreen before anything else, using teeth immediately after the unblockable run, if necessary in combination with mbf3, whatever. or how MB roll works with jokers stuff.
ive seen this good joker on red hot sundays and it actually looked solid, not all gimmicks to me. and in the end, strategy also matters a lot. maybe joker just has a super-weird and complex approach to everything that has yet to be discovered.
I'm glad you learned something from it......and I hate to sound rude but it really seems like you're not understanding the purpose of this thread. I don't think one joker in this community or in this thread said he needs a faster low or more damage. Like I said before, his problem is that he cannot get his offense started. I'm going to say it again "He cannot get his offense started" Please tell me how this statement is mu specific. (It isn't. That's the problem. That's what we're addressing.)
I never had a rebuttal. I agree 100% he is bad. I agree one hundred percent he should be better. But this thread is ass and will accomplish nothing. People take the piss out of Tom and REO and even Pig for their long winded dramatic videos and rants, but at least they show their work. That's why they get the buffs / nerfs they ask for, or at least why they get answers.
We've told you the problem multiple times now. He has no tools to start his offense. That is a real problem, and, as you noted earlier in my comment, we have given solid evidence on why exactly he cannot get his offense started. I think the Joker community has already agreed that we messed up in inj1. We should have been more vocal about his issues, but we weren't. Now we are vocal about this problem and have given evidence in this thread on our reasoning.
It's not rude. I absolutely do not understand the purpose of this thread.
Even worse then that I interpretted your post wrong, but let me say very specifically and directly to your point that "He cannot get his offense started" is a meaningless assertion. Literally, meaningless. True or not, in the terms of a man who knows Joker inside and out like you and all the others, it says nothing to me about what his offense is or how to start it. It does not say which buff will be of greatest benefit in what MUs, or express any indication that it will not be inert or further damage the games balance.
Right, but this thread is garbage. Literal garbage. I get that YOU like it, because you are an angry Joker main with tons of mu knowledge / experience IN YOUR HEAD. You know what Joker's offense is, you know what you would like him to be able to do when you push the buttons. But none of that is conveyed here. You might think it is, because everyone is in here agreeing with each other but it isn't. Not to someone who until 2 weeks ago probably thought they did a good job with inj2 Joker. Not to anyone who hasn't been in the trenches with you this whole time.
I'll just dm you
Yup. We seriously screwed up. I remember 16Bit saying on stream "people thought the Joker was bad in the first game but he was secretly really good guys! So we barely changed him." I'm paraphrasing, but that was the gist. The fact that the NRS development team actually thinks this is a massive fuck up on our parts.
That is literally the only area Joker excels at, so don't feel bad.
His setups are super hard to block to me
Block low react to the overheads.
I watched the stream, and I literally don't remember that even as an accurate paraphrase. I get that you're frustrated, but I don't think misquoting and shaming people for no reason is going to change anything.
It seems like sometimes I'm waiting for the teeth to explode and I'm caught right in the middle of OH/Low
Oh, you sweet summer child.
Not To Mention They Took Away His Low Parry.
Yeah your option is wakeup or try to block the low/overhead. I think they took made it harder for joker players to even do this anymore.
