RM Jonnitti
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oh yeah good call my bad i forgot to mention thatIn my opinion damage isn't her biggest weakness. I'd be fine with her damage if everything she did in footsie range wasn't punishable.
oh yeah good call my bad i forgot to mention thatIn my opinion damage isn't her biggest weakness. I'd be fine with her damage if everything she did in footsie range wasn't punishable.
Her mixup game is alright but always full combo punishable and its almost impossible to get it started because of how short ranged all of her buttons are. Her only move with enough range to check her opponent who literally just walks back is her d3 but this is full combo punishable on block and an opponent will take that 6% all day instead of a combo and/or pressure. You could spam leap but most of the time itll get anti aired unless you do 3 but then you cant get anything after the 3. If you miraculously do get in with a leap 1 and dont fuck up the strict window to jail the string and made sure you used a fast enough string then you have gaps galore and the opponent can just mash backdash after the first attack (depending on character) and theres nothing you can do about this unless you make a hard read and do 1,bounce cancel but if its blocked youre back in the same position as before down 2 bars of meter that she desperately needs to do any damage. This is not even mentioning her terrible matchups and how her traits pretty much useless in high level play.What stops Cheetah from being top tier though?
never once did i say anything close to "b1 is a garbage normal" i just said its good lol just not "one of the ebst in the game". its literally GL's best tool why are you putting words in my mouth?Dude, just stop omg!
You obviously dont know how to use b1 properly if you think it's a garbage normal, which you unbelievably stated in one of your previous posts. You mostly go 5-5, even win against the characters you listed (except bladam, but who doesnt lose to him?).
for christ sake even against aqua he does well. he cant just herp derp b123 in the neutral or f2/b2 cause b1 outfootsies him, and aqua's wakeup game is not his strongest suit.
you must be a guy who thinks that even MUs are bad MUs.
in what game? lol and deadshot is arguably top 5 so he clearly is fine without a great d2Yeah, it's not like GL has one of the more solid d2's in the game.
If you're seriously complaining about his d2, play Deadshot or Black Canary
umm you dont get to complain about Superman he's a top 5 character with some broken ass shit he doesnt need an amazing anti air he has the best normal in the gameOr Superman
d1 doesnt reach...D1 assassin knee to punish it then back dash and zone more, or just do mb rifle to push him back even further. Always equip blue trait. And mix trick shot in don't just do the high straight shot. If he's getting into footsie range use your b1 you can catch him before h catches you. GL gets destroyed in this matchup.
You complaining about GL 24/7 when Swamp Thing players are all mostly layed back and trying to use him despite him being an actual bad character is way worse than saying Superman doesn't have good D2.never once did i say anything close to "b1 is a garbage normal" i just said its good lol just not "one of the ebst in the game". its literally GL's best tool why are you putting words in my mouth?
in what game? lol and deadshot is arguably top 5 so he clearly is fine without a great d2
umm you dont get to complain about Superman he's a top 5 character with some broken ass shit he doesnt need an amazing anti air he has the best normal in the game
youre right. f1 does and punishes it though.d1 doesnt reach...
you missed my point. the good characters have a ton of other tools GL doesnt have, GL has no mixups, no anti air, zoning thats only good against non zoners, no high damage, hardly any space control, no pressure etc those are the things he needs to be good.You complaining about GL 24/7 when Swamp Thing players are all mostly layed back and trying to use him despite him being an actual bad character is way worse than saying Superman doesn't have good D2.
You actually kinda missed the point of them saying Superman and Deadshot have bad D2s. The point wasn't "they have bad D2s, they're bad". It was more "a character doesn't necessarily need a great D2 to be good". Like GL...
Green Lantern doesn't have space control?!?GL has no mixups, no anti air, zoning thats only good against non zoners, no high damage, hardly any space control, no pressure etc those are the things he needs to be good.
GL has a good d2 tho unless i'm missing something.You complaining about GL 24/7 when Swamp Thing players are all mostly layed back and trying to use him despite him being an actual bad character is way worse than saying Superman doesn't have good D2.
You actually kinda missed the point of them saying Superman and Deadshot have bad D2s. The point wasn't "they have bad D2s, they're bad". It was more "a character doesn't necessarily need a great D2 to be good". Like GL...
I know he does, he's purely downplaying.GL has a good d2 tho unless i'm missing something.
How are you unable to AA with d2? And you have the normal air-to-air options just like every other character.no anti air
Batman has no mixups, no range, and medioicre mids, meh anti airs, character is mid tier at best reallyyoure right. f1 does and punishes it though.
you missed my point. the good characters have a ton of other tools GL doesnt have, GL has no mixups, no anti air, zoning thats only good against non zoners, no high damage, hardly any space control, no pressure etc those are the things he needs to be good.
haha i see your point yea there is a lot more to it. he does have the best pressure in the game (or second after atrocitus) and a trait that basically means he doesnt have to deal with zoning and gets free pressure and amazing mobility tho so of course he's goodBatman has no mixups, no range, and medioicre mids, meh anti airs, character is mid tier at best really
because im better than you at this gameWhy is Fred Marvel being entertained?
I felt the the would have made a follow up redundant.haha i see your point yea there is a lot more to it. he does have the best pressure in the game (or second after atrocitus) and a trait that basically means he doesnt have to deal with zoning and gets free pressure and amazing mobility tho so of course he's good
never once did i say anything close to "b1 is a garbage normal" i just said its good lol just not "one of the ebst in the game". its literally GL's best tool why are you putting words in my mouth?
even if you said b12 is garbage, it's really not...You can literally poke in between the b1 and 2 and punish him for doing that string. It's garbage.
Like I said card, people stay bring false information in my faceJade was way more about pressure and Kabal was way more than zoning. This is a silly comparison. Kabal dominated the entire cast free off of the stuff he had up-close and how you could easily make his unsafe stuff safe with dash cancels and free 50/50s.
Thank you. It's about time someone put the blatant hypocrisy of TYM on blast for once. We JUST had a thread discouraging us from making "run-to-the-mill" tier lists, and what does this do? What's the point other than to further demonstrate the elitism that runs on this site. It's by far sickening and needs to stop.I care because?? This list is fraud asf I'm not going to ride like 90% of this community I'm going to call bs when I see it...
D3 is only punisheable when you do it right in their face tho and it's not that easy to punish since it's only -8.Her mixup game is alright but always full combo punishable and its almost impossible to get it started because of how short ranged all of her buttons are. Her only move with enough range to check her opponent who literally just walks back is her d3 but this is full combo punishable on block and an opponent will take that 6% all day instead of a combo and/or pressure. You could spam leap but most of the time itll get anti aired unless you do 3 but then you cant get anything after the 3. If you miraculously do get in with a leap 1 and dont fuck up the strict window to jail the string and made sure you used a fast enough string then you have gaps galore and the opponent can just mash backdash after the first attack (depending on character) and theres nothing you can do about this unless you make a hard read and do 1,bounce cancel but if its blocked youre back in the same position as before down 2 bars of meter that she desperately needs to do any damage. This is not even mentioning her terrible matchups and how her traits pretty much useless in high level play.
posted this in another thread to lazy to make another. This isnt to say shes bad, she does great once she gets her pressure started, its just once people learn how to play against her more the more I think she'll struggle
her j3 doesnt jail unless its blocked really low which defeats the whole purpose of the 3. her d3 doesnt have that much range its still punishableD3 is only punisheable when you do it right in their face tho and it's not that easy to punish since it's only -8.
Her j3 is actually her best jump. You get a 112~command grab after it on hit.