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Trying to mb roll through deadshot's zoning (video)

Temetias

"MKX kid"
You're a straight dude, so I'm gonna give you a legit response but probably won't respond to the rest of the thread.

MB Roll is not the answer to get in on Wrist Cannon, you will always be hit between the two straight shots. i knew that day -3, and that's not the time you use it. You have to walk. You have different options after block ricochet, rifle, and ducked/blocked 4 shot wrist, and walk straight shots. Once you have mastered all your options, you make the right reads you get in, you make the wrong reads you get hit, as it should be. Once you are in, most rush characters have advantage, and if you KD, you can either body or read WU and blow it up fairly easy without using meter. If you think he'll B1, abuse the 2 gaps in the string or just block and pressure/punish. If you think he'll F2, block and pressure with advantage or punish if no MB. If he does a string free pressure. He only gets 1 turn up close, and if it's wrong you can get 2 or even 3 depending on the character used. I would go into greater detail but this isn't the Deadshot discussion thread and a few people who are fighting rather than complaining know a lot of this stuff already.

I think the biggest issue is taking many players from MKX, who are used to playing rock em sock em robots, so when you have characters who take patience and reads defensively to get around they cannot handle it. Even the guy above is like "there is no run button". Personally, I stopped playing MKX months after release because it was 95% offense and it just wasn't for me, but some others like that. Once Deadshot gets nerfed they will move on to Fate, regardless of how strong rushdown characters are like Cold and Canary. There was not this much outrage against characters like Zod and MMH for example, who were better than Deadshot, and had completely oppressive zoning in some MUs where you LITERALLY couldn't play the game. Yea people complained, and had their memes, but it was nothing close to this, and if anything Batgirl and even Bane got more complaints. Most of that community came from MK9 though and then brought new players, who were already used to diverse playstyles so it wasn't a big deal like the MKX community who have no idea what to do. If a character like Captain Cold is allowed to exist where I'm watching the game instead of playing it when he gets in, then a character like Deadshot or Dr. Fate should be allowed to exist as well.

Which is why I point to MKX. If you want linear offense where you get in and throw attacks nonstop it's there. If you want diversity, then like Inj1 you had to learn the Zod/MMH/Sinestro MU just like you had to learn the Batgirl/Flash/Bane MU. It's been 4 days. Peace.
Your bias in these threads is unbeliveable. So instead of using A BAR OF METER to get even close to deadshot, you have to spend one minute to get close to him,(assuming he doesn't decide to spend a bar to push you back to pretty much where you started) only to have a chance of making a hard 50/50 read.

Yeah, that doesn't sound like fun gameplay to me. I don't get why you insist of defending this style of gameplay.
 
Your bias in these threads is unbeliveable. So instead of using A BAR OF METER to get even close to deadshot, you have to spend one minute to get close to him,(assuming he doesn't decide to spend a bar to push you back to pretty much where you started) only to have a chance of making a hard 50/50 read.

Yeah, that doesn't sound like fun gameplay to me. I don't get why you insist of defending this style of gameplay.
Having to sit their and block a 20 minute block string by Batman, guess 50/50s with the flash, eat f23s from superman with no risk is not fun. I'd rather deal with dead shot zoning. And you play catwoman lol. Your j2 is probably one the best tools of any character to deal with dead shot
 

Akromaniac27

Ready to lose your head?
Why should Batman have incredible rush and still very good zoning? Will you ever beg for nerfs on him?
I mean I could list a whole load of things and characters I feel need to be adjusted, but it's not as bad Deadshot being more than good anywhere on the screen. I think Batman is top 10 currently, was still being used in tourneys in the first game even after all his nerfs, but his zoning is not comparable to Deadshot. That's a real stretch there bud
 

Akromaniac27

Ready to lose your head?
Having to sit their and block a 20 minute block string by Batman, guess 50/50s with the flash, eat f23s from superman with no risk is not fun. I'd rather deal with dead shot zoning. And you play catwoman lol. Your j2 is probably one the best tools of any character to deal with dead shot
You know pushblock exists for a reason right? As a zoner, I would imagine you would have meter stocked up, considering your projectiles are safe, sometimes plus from mid to fullscreen meterless.
 
I mean I could list a whole load of things and characters I feel need to be adjusted, but it's not as bad Deadshot being more than good anywhere on the screen. I think Batman is top 10 currently, was still being used in tourneys in the first game even after all his nerfs, but his zoning is not comparable to Deadshot. That's a real stretch there bud
Deadshots devastating 15-20% midscreen 50/50 combos are comparable to Batman proficiency zoning.
 

Temetias

"MKX kid"
Having to sit their and block a 20 minute block string by Batman, guess 50/50s with the flash, eat f23s from superman with no risk is not fun. I'd rather deal with dead shot zoning. And you play catwoman lol. Your j2 is probably one the best tools of any character to deal with dead shot
Well, do you think it's just a coincidence I play catwoman? The way deadshot is right now, no one with any common sense would not pick some sort of counter to him.

Supermans f23? Just space and punish? And have I defended 50/50's???

Edit: I wanna see that 20 minute block string tho.
 

Akromaniac27

Ready to lose your head?
Mb Roll exists too. You have option for a bar LOL.
You build meter while chipping, occasionally getting a hit or two, and control the pace. Anyone trying to move in is building no meter for the most part, and is not doing any damage to you until they're nearby for at least chip. So if you're gonna compare the utility or viability between pushblock used by a zoner and MBroll for someone to attempt moving in with no advantage after, I don't know what to tell you
 

SaltShaker

In Zoning We Trust
Well, do you think it's just a coincidence I play catwoman? The way deadshot is right now, no one with any common sense would not pick some sort of counter to him.
I wasn't gonna reply to this thread again but you made me laugh so I had to. Atrocitus, Catwoman, Aquaman, Supergirl, Darkseid, Black Adam, Grodd.

I'd say the "counter" option is in no short supply.
 

Temetias

"MKX kid"
I wasn't gonna reply to this thread again but you made me laugh so I had to. Atrocitus, Catwoman, Aquaman, Supergirl, Darkseid, Black Adam, Grodd.

I'd say the "counter" option is in no short supply.
Have I said that it would be?

I'm just sad that the fact is that you need to go for some sort of dumb tools to even compete against him.

Btw supergirls tele isn't even fast enough to legit punish deadshot if they're not just spamming the input. Luckily most of them are tho.
 
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I wasn't gonna reply to this thread again but you made me laugh so I had to. Atrocitus, Catwoman, Aquaman, Supergirl, Darkseid, Black Adam, Grodd.

I'd say the "counter" option is in no short supply.
Exactly lmao. I play Atrocitus and it doesn't even feel that bad to match up with dead shot. He has some decent counters. I never heard this much complaining when I play sinestro against aquaman who completely shut that character down lol.
 

Dankster Morgan

It is better this way
Nice post dawg.

So, he managed to list 7 characters that don't just auto-lose against deadshot? Wow. I'f prefer if the whole cast had options against him. But that's just my opinion.
I play a character who I feel struggles against Deadshot. If Deadshot got butchered, Fate would be stronger. And yeah Deadshot has some winning matchups and some losing ones, okay..
 

Temetias

"MKX kid"
I play a character who I feel struggles against Deadshot. If Deadshot got butchered, Fate would be stronger. And yeah Deadshot has some winning matchups and some losing ones, okay..
Yeah but I'm not really talking about matchups, and I couldn't care less about "my character". I'm just saying that there's now a bunch of characters whose gameplan against deadshot is to hope to someday get close to eat a 50/50 and a combo which sends you back to full screen.

I'm ok with good/bad matchups but the fact that there are many characters that don't have any proper options against deadshot is really worrying. Fate is ok imo, at least you have mb roll as a tool.
 

God Confirm

We're all from Earthrealm. If not, cool pic brah.
I think the biggest issue is taking many players from MKX, who are used to playing rock em sock em robots, so when you have characters who take patience and reads defensively to get around they cannot handle it. Even the guy above is like "there is no run button".
so why is it that people who didn't play MKX, coming from Capcom, even specific people who are known for being zoning players, are saying Deadshot is stupid?

I'm not making a comment on whether Deadshot is too strong, but I don't buy the logic in the bit I quoted from you for a second. Even MKX rushdown players were saying zoning sucks man, almost nobody was arguing that. People are not mindwarped by one game, at all, that most of us stopped playing a while ago as well.
 

SaltShaker

In Zoning We Trust
so why is it that people who didn't play MKX, coming from Capcom, even specific people who are known for being zoning players, are saying Deadshot is stupid?

I'm not making a comment on whether Deadshot is too strong, but I don't buy the logic in the bit I quoted from you for a second. Even MKX rushdown players were saying zoning sucks man, almost nobody was arguing that. People are not mindwarped by one game, at all, that most of us stopped playing a while ago as well.
There's just as many well known and established players saying he is fine and give it time like REO, Honeybee, Brady, etc etc etc. Goes both ways when people complain. He could get Inj1 Scorpion nerfed tonight and by tomorrow people will be complaining about a different unbeatable character. Hell he could get not nerfed at all and by next month some new tech is out on a different character and everyone is complaining over there.

Though you do see the strong majority of MKX first players complaining a lot about not just Deadshot, but Fate, Darkseid, and the game "being too zoning heavy" muchhhhhh more than Inj1 players. I don't think that's even debatable lol. Most of the people hype about the "Return of Zoning" weren't the "MKX was my first fighter" crowd", most were people who played MK9 or Inj1 or both. That's what I meant, in a majority sense.
 

hkriderz

Lin Kuei Scum, yellow robot enthusiast
Let's stop mentioning characters that are good against Deadshot, and actually write out a strategy that helps ALL CHARACTERS deal with him, until the inevitable patch.

This is coming from an Aquaman player that can check Deadshot, your guys' defense for Deadshot is flawed and wrong.
 

God Confirm

We're all from Earthrealm. If not, cool pic brah.
There's just as many well known and established players saying he is fine and give it time like REO, Honeybee, Brady, etc etc etc. Goes both ways when people complain. He could get Inj1 Scorpion nerfed tonight and by tomorrow people will be complaining about a different unbeatable character. Hell he could get not nerfed at all and by next month some new tech is out on a different character and everyone is complaining over there.

Though you do see the strong majority of MKX first players complaining a lot about not just Deadshot, but Fate, Darkseid, and the game "being too zoning heavy" muchhhhhh more than Inj1 players. I don't think that's even debatable lol. Most of the people hype about the "Return of Zoning" weren't the "MKX was my first fighter" crowd", most were people who played MK9 or Inj1 or both. That's what I meant, in a majority sense.
the only name with any credibility attached to it there is REO. TomBrady is erratic as fuck with everything, and HoneyBee's opinions are worth less than any random poster on this site, there is no consistency or logic to anything that guy says. But for sure, I accept the point you are making anyway - I'm not saying there is a unanimous consensus on whether or not Deadshot is overpowered, thats not my point. My point is that plenty of people with no background in MKX and instead with a background from games that have healthy amounts of zoning, are saying Deadshot is too much, so I don't think the Deadshot complaints are at all tied into people who played MKX.
 

Dankster Morgan

It is better this way
Yeah but I'm not really talking about matchups, and I couldn't care less about "my character". I'm just saying that there's now a bunch of characters whose gameplan against deadshot is to hope to someday get close to eat a 50/50 and a combo which sends you back to full screen.

I'm ok with good/bad matchups but the fact that there are many characters that don't have any proper options against deadshot is really worrying. Fate is ok imo, at least you have mb roll as a tool.
What characters don't have options against Deadshot? SaltShaker just mentioned 7 who have really good ones.
 

God Confirm

We're all from Earthrealm. If not, cool pic brah.
Every single character he loses against is overpowered, every single character he doesn't is fine. Until he finds a good enough player of that character then that character becomes top tier too. Also, for the entirety of MKX he said DVorah needed buffs. The guy is the textbook definition of being incapable of distinguishing his own flaws from gameplay ones. I value even your opinions higher than someone who does that. Just my take on it.