Street Fighter V General Discussion

[Rip Torn]

remember going into season 2 when all you scrubs were crying about Guile and I asked "what about ibuki being toptier" and Myles said "lol" and now she's on Japan's and people's top 3

I do lul

People lol'd when I said Gief would be good in S2. Now look at this place.

 

[B. Shazzy]

@B. Shazzy

what a scrub lul

 

[@MylesWright_]

You know command dash after Ibukis air target combo midscreen is reactable, negative and always cross-up yet opened up Smug every time.

How can you watch Momochi outplay Smug, abuse unfamilarity and comeback with 'Ibuki top tier'

 

[EntropicByDesign]

Shrug. I was wrong about Ibuki. Just don't injure that arm patting yourself on the back Shaz, you won't be able to hold all the cookies people will give you for being super right. Top 3 thoigh, I'm not seeing it yet.

Anyway,

Yeah Necalli seems even more straight forward than Ryu to me, in that Ryu is trying to make a gameplan work that he doesn't have the tools for, and Necalli does. The command grab is a nice extra option, the ground pound is semi fireball-esque, Necalli had some basic neutral tools that he can get good mileage off of (cr.mk x lk.stomp) and a very powerful but extremely straight forward Oki game with just enough variety that I hope to not get super bored and feel like in repeating myself. He also doesn't have to worry too much about V-trigger. I mean, sure it's optimal to confirm into it through an extended, high damage combo but you can just hit it any time and you are always going to get your money's worth since it lasts forever. No worrying about maximizing your time in trigger or waiting to use it for the perfect moment.. nope. Just Super Saiyan and start slamming fools. Good AA options, good normals, great damage, etc etc. I also think Necalli looks bad as hell and his samurai costume - that I already own - is one of the best in the entire game.

I do have some regrets not choosing Ryu, but ultimately Necalli is top 10 and Ryu is bottom 5 (more or less) and if both pretty much tic all my boxes, I just can't see picking the worse of the two unless you have an attachment to Ryu, which I really don't.

Just got off work, going to get some sleep then try to find some damn games.

 

[B. Shazzy]

People lol'd when I said Gief would be good in S2. Now look at this place.

ya but remember when I've never been wrong about like anything in this game. Didn't I tell Birdie player Birdie was fine and a birdie just won something. Didn't I say Rashid was top 5 and he's top 5. Didn't I say Guile wasn't top 3 and he needed specific buffs and they buffed him and then I said he he would get nerfed and he did like I said they would do it too. didn't I say gief doesn't work hard and the guile matchup isn't that bad and then dieminion says it's 5-5. Didn't I say Karin was top 5 and then Punk says she's braindead and top 5

I remember lul

 

[JJvercetti]

Necalli Stuff

Necalli is the go to guy to learn this game in my opinion.

People lol'd when I said Gief would be good in S2. Now look at this place.

I was not expecting Gief to get the amount of stuff he got but hey I love the carnage in this thread.

 

[EntropicByDesign]

Games anyone? I cant sleep.

 

[ILuvFightGames]

Necalli is the go to guy to learn this game in my opinion.

I was not expecting Gief to get the amount of stuff he got but hey I love the carnage in this thread.

When did people start saying Gief was top tier? I'm confused. All I hear guile is even with him is only from guile players honestly. That shit don't count.

 

[EntropicByDesign]

Ive been saying it for a while. I didnt think so originally, and I was wrong. Now, I think he's one of the absolute strongest characters in the game when played by a pro. He is an absolute monster. Vortex, damage, stun, you name it.. and after April he's going to get even more insane.

 

[ILuvFightGames]

Ive been saying it for a while. I didnt think so originally, and I was wrong. Now, I think he's one of the absolute strongest characters in the game when played by a pro. He is an absolute monster. Vortex, damage, stun, you name it.. and after April he's going to get even more insane.

Yea I'm not saying he's bad, I'm saying when did he become top 5? I mean s2 changes really did help him out. I know Gief can be scary as hell, but I don't think he's like a no-brainer character that anyone can pick up and win, I think it's the opposite. Again, I'm not saying you guys are wrong just saying he's not ninjutsu scorpion that anyone can f2 and start a vortex combo.

 

[Rip Torn]

ya but remember when I've never been wrong about like anything in this game. Didn't I tell Birdie player Birdie was fine and a birdie just won something. Didn't I say Rashid was top 5 and he's top 5. Didn't I say Guile wasn't top 3 and he needed specific buffs and they buffed him and then I said he he would get nerfed and he did like I said they would do it too. didn't I say gief doesn't work hard and the guile matchup isn't that bad and then dieminion says it's 5-5. Didn't I say Karin was top 5 and then Punk says she's braindead and top 5

I remember lul

Rashid is not top 5 though. And although Dieminion says Guile Gief is 5-5, Itazan lists Guile as one of Gief's worst matchups. A lot of top players list Guile as one of their worst matchups. FChamp just came out with a tier list and puts Guile on top.

 

[ILuvFightGames]

Yea I'm not saying he's bad, I'm saying when did he become top 5? I mean s2 changes really did help him out. I know Gief can be scary as hell, but I don't think he's like a no-brainer character that anyone can pick up and win, I think it's the opposite. Again, I'm not saying you guys are wrong just saying he's not ninjutsu scorpion that anyone can f2 and start a vortex combo.

Edit- just to clarify, none of you said he was braindead. What I meant is that he can be super strong under the right hands, just like every other character, but I think he works a bit harder than some other top tiers, am I wrong?

 

[God Confirm]

Edit- just to clarify, none of you said he was braindead. What I meant is that he can be super strong under the right hands, just like every other character, but I think he works a bit harder than some other top tiers, am I wrong?

u wrong and have fun guessing

 

[ILuvFightGames]

u wrong and have fun guessing

Yea I might be, im sure players that know this game more could think much different. So zangief works just as hard as other top tier characters? Works easier?

 

[God Confirm]

Yea I might be, im sure players that know this game more could think much different. So zangief works just as hard as other top tier characters? Works easier?

imo works just as hard, just has a great time once you give it to him. no such thing as a free win tho

 

[EntropicByDesign]

No character is easy to play at the highest levels, but there is a MASSIVE difference in what it takes for a, say, Guile, to win at the highest level, or even a Karin, when compared to Gief. Gief can make a ton of mistakes compared to most other top tier characters.. he can lose and lose and lose, then just win off a touch when you get sucked into a vortex that kills off two guesses - and he can make you guess constantly, and if he doesnt want to risk and SPD, well, he can just pressure the holy shit out of you. His air control is complete and he takes no risk and spends no meter for it, unlike many characters, and so on.

He only has to be right a couple times and can afford to be wrong over and over and over. That's just not a luxury a lot of characters have.

 

[JJvercetti]

Gief Stuff

Very reminiscent of ST Gief.

 

[Johnny Based Cage]

Rashid is not top 5 though. And although Dieminion says Guile Gief is 5-5, Itazan lists Guile as one of Gief's worst matchups. A lot of top players list Guile as one of their worst matchups. FChamp just came out with a tier list and puts Guile on top.

Marn just came out with a tier list that put Guile as top 2 also LUL

 

[JJvercetti]

Marn just came out with a tier list that put Guile as top 2 also LUL

He had sim top right?

 

[Johnny Based Cage]

He had sim top right?

Yeah, said he only loses to like, Balrog and maybe Urien, and this was his follow-up tweet:

For those of you saying, "Sim?!" Keep in mind I called Mika and Ibuki. Open your eyes sheeple, Sim is a character with limitless potential

Keep in mind he had to defend that claim but nobody even batted an eyelash about Guile being top 1 on his list LUL.

 

[B. Shazzy]

Rashid is not top 5 though. And although Dieminion says Guile Gief is 5-5, Itazan lists Guile as one of Gief's worst matchups. A lot of top players list Guile as one of their worst matchups. FChamp just came out with a tier list and puts Guile on top.

lots of people understand Rashid who I can't even think of a 1 losing matchup the character has is top 5. And he definitely will undoubtedly be going into the next patch. I hear it all the time and even just last night from Ranmasama Rashid who just won some tournament with the character.


unless a lot of these top players are maining gief, Laura and fang I doubt anyone is saying Guiles their worst matchup. And sure fchamp had Guile toptier because the character is. Doesn't mean he didn't also put 5 characters ahead of him on his tier list as well

 

[B. Shazzy]

Yeah, said he only loses to like, Balrog and maybe Urien, and this was his follow-up tweet:

For those of you saying, "Sim?!" Keep in mind I called Mika and Ibuki. Open your eyes sheeple, Sim is a character with limitless potential

Keep in mind he had to defend that claim but nobody even batted an eyelash about Guile being top 1 on his list LUL.

marn barely plays the game relax lul I've played him before too he's not in th class of top player he's just a face in the community.

Dhalsim is for sure not anywhere near top 5 don't be ridiculous

 

[Rip Torn]

lots of people understand Rashid who I can't even think of a 1 losing matchup the character has is top 5. And he definitely will undoubtedly be going into the next patch. I hear it all the time and even just last night from Ranmasama Rashid who just won some tournament with the character.


unless a lot of these top players are maining gief, Laura and fang I doubt anyone is saying Guiles their worst matchup. And sure fchamp had Guile toptier because the character is. Doesn't mean he didn't also put 5 characters ahead of him on his tier list as well

Momochi and Tokido also listed Guile among their worst matchups very recently.

Rashid isn't a character with a ton of bad MU's or good MU's. It's not like he 6-4's a lot of the cast but he also doesn't lose very heavily to anyone. Many of the top tier characters can push him around in neutral though and it's kind of silly to call him top 5 when Balrog, Urien, Cammy, Laura, Guile, Ibuki and Karin are in the game.

 

[FL Rushdown]

Momochi and Tokido also listed Guile among their worst matchups very recently.

Rashid isn't a character with a ton of bad MU's or good MU's. It's not like he 6-4's a lot of the cast but he also doesn't lose very heavily to anyone. Many of the top tier characters can push him around in neutral though and it's kind of silly to call him top 5 when Balrog, Urien, Cammy, Laura, Guile, Ibuki and Karin are in the game.

You better step off that argument. That was ryu to a T and all the haters still demanded he get nerfed into oblivion.

 

[FL Rushdown]

That being said y'all are crazy if you think ibuki is top 3 free, you're crazy if you think sim is top 5, and you're crazy if you think guile isn't arguably a top 5 character.