After the cr.mp sometimes I can command grab and sometimes I miss the grab, also the f.hp doesn't connect after the cr.mp, in fact even a light won't connect, they just block it.
That's absolutely true. That plus they have less hitstop(which I think should be normalized). That being said I do think people overestimate how much dmg and stun Mika actually does since the resets come fast and furious. She does good dmg but I would compare her more to Nash/chun dmg wise than I would ken/ryu/necalli/Karin etc.
I honestly haven't watched but would you like me to test myself or watch the vid.
If it's whiffing ur doing it too early. And yeah they CAN block after the cr.mp reset. That's what makes it a reset. It juggles them after the f.hp or dropkick.
I don't think it's THAT much different bud I don't have actual numbers for a ryu corner bnb to compare to the mika corner I just listed. But the problem is that it loops. And you have a guaranteed restart into at the very least a command grab. So the damage of the combo plus the reset command grab is probably more than the ryu/necalli corner combo. And then you still get the same oki after, roughly.
Yes just watch the last two 15 second videos I posted please. I don't know how to make it any clearer than that.
Yeah I tested a little bit too. Seems like he's either got too much pushback or a weird throw range. Mathematically it works out, so if they press a button it'll work(button hurtbox specific) if they block you'll whiff. So yes by the strictest definition of the term tickthrow I say sir shazzy is in fact correct. Sorry rip, you know I was rooting for ya.
Ok so the reset or "guess" is:
Right thanks and I'm not even saying it's impossible to be surprise thrown by Guile because of his walkspeed or anything, but he factually does not have tick throws, period. Yet look how many pages this guy tried to argue against me and I hope you understand why I had to make a truce with you for this one moment. You're ego couldn't be defensive in this argument, you're not even unbiased towards me and you still know I'm right.
@B. Shazzy
The math doesn't work unless your walk forward is 0 frames. His stuff is plus 2 so itd have to be an airtight tick to beat 3 framers. I think you're just hitting the hurtbox when they press a button and walking forward when they don't.
F.hp is ur go to for a crush counter. You can also meaty the st.mp (right rushdown) and confirm to another Irish whip to restart the shenanigans.
Hey I was messing around with guile and I was curious if there are any setups to tick throw off his v skill in the corner on like a sweep CC. Not exactly viable but I'm curious, looks like you can time it but I'd wanna see an actual setup and I can't think of a way to test it by myself.
st.LP is +3 on block.
Is it? Huh I thought it was +2. So he has a walkspeed of 5.2 pixels per frame. Tell me if st op pushes him exactly 5.2 or less pixels out of throw range cuz I don't even know how I'd test that.
The f hp won't crush counter if they're trying to jump out, only if they're pressing buttons(which believe it or not some people are suicidal enough to do.... usually necallis) but if the f hp hits a jump you're in mixup city since you can then time a cr mp so that you can go back into the same mixups.... only this time you get to pick which side they've gotta block on. You can also dropkick without charge to reset them earlier and finish it. Works real well vs anyone that takes their hands off the stick in a fit of rage when they get whipped.
I don't know how to test that either but if it's a 1 frame walk you could just watch a 60fps video at 1 frame per second and see how far he goes. I look at his feet when I push st.LP and if I do it right they move just slightly forward about 3-4 inches (If Guile was a real person and his boot is about 12 inches) before the throw.
The replays can go frame by frame. I think we could check there.
It's just beginning to sound more and more fringe scenario to me, just based on what I'm reading. The guile has no way to know if you'll jab or lk.
Well, I'm pretty sure it's a 1 frame micro-walk, which means it would work on both st.LK and cr.LP. In a way, it's all a fringe scenario. For you to mash a 4 frame button in the middle of guile pressure is just asking to get counter hit. But it's good to know what your options are in every little situation. Most Rashid players always hit st.LK as their fastest normal so it would take a high level of MU knowledge for this meta to even develop.
Right here we go. So we've gone from Guile had a million tick throws, to Guile has tick throws on 7f normals, to this part. Ya I already know about this, but guess what it's also not real.
Honestly you'd have to find a normal or a sequence of normals that would time the vskill blockstun as the opponent rises to simultaneously give Guile enough time to recover at +2 just soon enough to input throw and have it grab the opponent as their block stun is over. And it would depend t what spacing you land the sweep you'd have to start the sequence with the dash pretty much every time. It's tricky and I'd probably do it myself but I kinda have sense for timing Guile things after playing him so much.
Dude, you think that's exclusive to Guile? Most characters can back walk out of Rashid's tick throw. Some can even walk back to a distance where Rashid's throw whiffs and then they can throw Rashid from the same distance it just whiffed at. Guile can back walk out of Rashid's tick throw.