Question - A-List Who is still playing Cage?

[LaidbackOne]

Wait, what? A dude (Kompetitor) wrote Cage has no mid armor, I wrote to him he has in SD, you wrote to me about how it is unsafe (again).

Anyway let's drop this bro. Cage in SD has a mid armor which is unsafe. Case closed.

But a question is still left, how do you use armor? Because I use it when I see the opponent pressing buttons to absorb a hit but get off the floor, soo it does not matter to me if it is safe or unsafe or OH or LOW. When I see a dude is just blocking or whatever then no WU or a regular (if it is somewhat safe)

Yup, because you probably never used an unsafe wakeup by mistake or because someone baited it by pressing a fast recovering button.

 

[Wigy]

My sanity is restored, i can finally sleep.

Also any1 trying to say cages armor is good. No. Just no. Go watch tw33dy versus pyro Tanya, that's what insane armor is. It was just back to back safe armors and teleports from both players. There is no counterplay, no footsies just mashing anything into safe armor or teleport. Ugly shit that nobody wants see or play against. Fix it NRS.

Yet tw33dy says we need to level up and hes so good that character balance is based around him

 

[Gofer_MK]

Yup, because you probably never used an unsafe wakeup by mistake or because someone baited it by pressing a fast recovering button.

Of course I did, and I got punished for doing something stupid or being baited. It is only fair.

 

[jaylee777]

Ok a lot of crying in this thread. He needed needed and nrs agreed. His jailing pressure was just too much. 11 frame mid that could not be whiff punished and led to ~15% chip, mix ups and meter build. I think some of u got spoiled by that. Pre patch he had the best footsies in the game and zero risk.

1: You definitely could whiff punish f3 pre patch and still can considering it has the exact same frames on whiff post patch. Throw out a poorly spaced f3 against someone that knows the matchup and you're getting full combo punished. (And you probably wont be able to break cause you used your stamina trying to run cancel into block)

2: The most chip you could guarantee after a f3 pre patch was 5.40% (F3rc,114skrc,114). Not sure where this idea that alist had double digit amounts of chip came from.

Im not going to lie

im a hair or two close to going into a big explosive rant over how Cage is now.

But i wont, because it wont help anything.
my upbeat positivity on cage is wearing thin.

Plus if anybody throws me into the group of "Another Cage downplayer" would be lying to themselves.
pre patch i was always the one real on how fucking dumb he was and argued with people who downplayed and even now am real to how he still has the tools to compete.

It could also be me not adapting to the patch yet
But man lol...........

I would love to see you go on a brady-esque rant about cage lol.

 

[kelevra]

2: The most chip you could guarantee after a f3 pre patch was 5.40% (F3rc,114skrc,114). Not sure where this idea that alist had double digit amounts of chip came from.

Because most people just throw shit around mindless, especially those permajumping gm players suffering from terminal autism.

 

[ismael4790]

About fisticuffs, imo the only thing he needs now (besides speedbag whiffing issues being solved, which I doubt it ever happens) is getting exflipkick armored again, and maybe safe, why not.
This move would prevent him from being free on the ground and would also help antiairing and anticrossuping as before. Nothing else.

He's never going to be a great character having no true mixups in this crazy game, keeping that punishable d3, or his fastest starter being 9f (slow for a character that is supposed to be rushdown and pressure...), etc, but he will be able to play his honest game better, not being free when he gets knocked down.

For stunt double, mimic kick should combo in the corner again. That going away made no sense. Also, mimic kick could be a bit more than +2...not double digits plus as before, but like, +4/5?

 

[Wigy]

About fisticuffs, imo the only thing he needs now (besides speedbag whiffing issues being solved, which I doubt it ever appens) is getting exflipkick armored again, and maybe safe, why not.
This move would prevent him from being free on the ground and would also help antiairing and anticrossuping as before. Nothing else.

For stunt double, mimic kick should combo in the corner again. That going away made no sense. Also, mimic kick could be a bit more than +2...not double digits plus as before, but like, +4/5?

No change to his d3?

Makes no sense.

 

[ismael4790]

No change to his d3?

Makes no sense.

See edit (I never write replies without editing xD).

Of course, I think that should change, but it's not specific.

 

[Asodimazze]

Im not going to lie

im a hair or two close to going into a big explosive rant over how Cage is now.

But i wont, because it wont help anything.
my upbeat positivity on cage is wearing thin.

Plus if anybody throws me into the group of "Another Cage downplayer" would be lying to themselves.
pre patch i was always the one real on how fucking dumb he was and argued with people who downplayed and even now am real to how he still has the tools to compete.

It could also be me not adapting to the patch yet
But man lol...........

 

[LaidbackOne]

Because most people just throw shit around mindless, especially those permajumping gm players suffering from terminal autism.

Pure gold <3

 

[Zionix]

About fisticuffs, imo the only thing he needs now (besides speedbag whiffing issues being solved, which I doubt it ever happens) is getting exflipkick armored again, and maybe safe, why not.
This move would prevent him from being free on the ground and would also help antiairing and anticrossuping as before. Nothing else.

He's never going to be a great character having no true mixups in this crazy game, keeping that punishable d3, or his fastest starter being 9f (slow for a character that is supposed to be rushdown and pressure...), etc, but he will be able to play his honest game better, not being free when he gets knocked down.

For stunt double, mimic kick should combo in the corner again. That going away made no sense. Also, mimic kick could be a bit more than +2...not double digits plus as before, but like, +4/5?

As you said, Fisticuffs offence is solid, but he needs defense.

 

[llabslb]

Quan chi players are dying as they read this thread going on about poor defence.

 

[Saltea Moonspell]

Quan chi players are dying as they read this thread going on about poor defence.

Its not about Quan, nor other characters. My KL feels like 90 year old granny that falls and cant stand, do we really need to do this again ?

 

[Name v.5.0]

I'm sure as fuck not.

 

[ismael4790]

Quan chi players are dying as they read this thread going on about poor defence.

Actually Quan has better defense now than Cage. Better backdash, an overhead armor (slow, but you can't poke like a madman to lowprofile it like with exshadowkick), even triple armor in a variation, and 6f d1, not to mention better antiairs...

 

[llabslb]

Its not about Quan, nor other characters. My KL feels like 90 year old granny that falls and cant stand, do we really need to do this again ?

Na I'm not bashing anyone I just have a friend who gets triggered because when defence is moaned about he gets offended

 

[Tweedy]

The Cage community just nartually downplays.

It's painfully obvious to everyone who isn't in the Cage community. Where the Lao community says "we'll just deal with it", the Cage community cries.

 

[ismael4790]

The Cage community just nartually downplays.

It's painfully obvious to everyone who isn't in the Cage community. Where the Lao community says "we'll just deal with it", the Cage community cries.

Cage players reading this like:

 

[Dankster Morgan]

Actually Quan has better defense now than Cage. Better backdash, an overhead armor (slow, but you can't poke like a madman to lowprofile it like with exshadowkick), even triple armor in a variation, and 6f d1, not to mention better antiairs...

The warlock triple armor is janky as shit and really inconsistent to say the least and skydrop is still garbage. Cage's defense is probably still better than Quan and non Warrior Predator. It's still bad but let's not go crazy.

 

[Rodney Quillz]

The Cage community just nartually downplays.

It's painfully obvious to everyone who isn't in the Cage community. Where the Lao community says "we'll just deal with it", the Cage community cries.

Isn't that kind of a shitty comparison seeing how Lao actually got better with the patch?

Correct me if I'm wrong though.

 

[Tweedy]

Isn't that kind of a shitty comparison seeing how Lao actually got better with the patch?

Correct me if I'm wrong though.

Not really. He went from having a top tier reversal to probably the worst in the game.

Improved normals do not make him a better character, in spite of that.

 

[llabslb]

Not really. He went from having a top tier reversal to probably the worst in the game.

Improved normals do not make him a better character, in spite of that.

Just to clarify. Are you putting Lao and Cage in the same boat?

 

[Tweedy]

Just to clarify. Are you putting Lao and Cage in the same boat?

Yeah. I'd probably say Buzzsaw is the best variation out of the two characters, but overall I think they're both mid tier.

 

[llabslb]

Yeah. I'd probably say Buzzsaw is the best variation out of the two characters, but overall I think they're both mid tier.

Cool

 

[Rodney Quillz]

Not really. He went from having a top tier reversal to probably the worst in the game.

Improved normals do not make him a better character, in spite of that.

His regular spin is still a great anti air though, doesn't he also have a double bar armor launcher?