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The Shangest of Tsungs
Some Straw Man Fighter V quote
LUL if you think your recent streak of Guile sad-posting is a good look, I'm not the idiot here lulululul. Let's take a look at some of these unprovoked pages ripped straight from the book of Wound:


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im pretty you still dont know how to read then and pretty surer that if the worst/slowest character in the game can get in toptier ryu should be just fine

5-5 with zangief so gdlk btw u guise
daily reminder that infexious, one of the best giefs i've seen, thinks gief-guile is even and demonstrates it constantly yet ryu babies just cry

guile so toptier man so gdlk u guise lul
I forgot to mention the other day Alex also beats Guile. To keep score that's like 8 losing matchups while Guile beats Gief, Laura, and Fang I guess. kewl lul
Ya and winning against gief is something half the cast and ryu already do while not losing to Sim, Necalli, Nash, Cammy, Chun and some say Mika too
Justin wong thinks Karin beats Guile too the list is pretty big. Meanwhile Tokido thinks Ryu is the best character in the game and doesnt need a pocket character to breeze his way to grandfinals do the math lul

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
 

EntropicByDesign

It's all so very confusing.
I have decided that every character in SFV is OP and top 2, except whoever I am playing atm. Whoever that is, is awful at best and utterly unplayable at worst.
 

B. Shazzy

NRS shill #42069
lul why is this silver still talking to me

spoiler thing: ur free bro i got the tapes
Lionbae i wasnt gonna do it you told me to be nice to the scrubs but they need to put some respek on my name first


ya but im supposed to listen to other giefs that arent infexious with a straight face when they all play like that LUL ^
 

Kroaken

Life is a block string with no gaps.
daily reminder that infexious, one of the best giefs i've seen, thinks gief-guile is even and demonstrates it constantly yet ryu babies just cry

guile so toptier man so gdlk u guise lul
Guile would be top tier. If flash kick wasn't holding him down.




Swidt
:DOGE
 
Define fun?

I mean, yes, she is fun. But she can be MASSIVELY frustrating. When things fall in to place though, shes a blast.
Well since she has so many tools like, dashes,command grabs, float,etc. I think she can be quite fun. I'm not sure where she's at in the tier list thoug but by the sounds of it she's pretty bad right? And about her vtrigger, how good is her vTrigger bombs? Aren't they useless unless it's like in a mid combo?
 

Kroaken

Life is a block string with no gaps.
Well since she has so many tools like, dashes,command grabs, float,etc. I think she can be quite fun. I'm not sure where she's at in the tier list thoug but by the sounds of it she's pretty bad right? And about her vtrigger, how good is her vTrigger bombs? Aren't they useless unless it's like in a mid combo?
I still have trouble finding a valid reason to put her above anyone on my own personal tier list.
 

Rip Torn

ALL I HAVE IS THE GREEN.
i see that you've put some thought into these matchups, but i just think its weird that the same guys who you feel show off Guile's potential are also wrong when they say rashid- guile is 5-5. they do say that. you dont have to be the better player to have the "correct"opinion but you have know something they don't about at the level they're playing otherwise youre conclusions are questionable. it's all opinion but even through my own lens I find myself agreeing with these guys more than not.
I don't know of any players that say Guile v Rashid is 5-5. Maybe they have said that, but it's not something I've heard. I feel like Rashid gets pushed around in the MU. He has a hard time getting in when he's behind. Although his mobility is good, Guile's ability to drastically change the speed of his booms makes it difficult to use his v-skill safely.

No lead is safe for Rashid because Guile gets in for free. Slow booms, v-skill booms and v-trigger are difficult for rashid to deal with.

Up close, Rashid does have a 3 frame normal, so he can put Guile in some uncomfortable frame traps and tick throw situations. However, once Rashid's pressure goes to -2, which it will eventually, Guile gets his turn and it can be quite oppressive for Rashid. He can stay safe and push back with booms or go in for throws. From throw distance all the way to full screen, Guile seems to have the clear advantage. I also feel like Guile can dominate the air with better aa's and an air throw that can switch sides. I just don't see any way that it's not in Guile's favor.
 

FL Rushdown

Champion
As much as it pains me to say it I kinda agree with shazzy. Rashids got enough tools to navigate guiles booms. He's like a worse cammy in that regard and I think cammy beats guile so Ima assume rashid is pretty even with him.

Seems like people really underrate rashids neutral and corner carry.
 

EntropicByDesign

It's all so very confusing.
Well since she has so many tools like, dashes,command grabs, float,etc. I think she can be quite fun. I'm not sure where she's at in the tier list thoug but by the sounds of it she's pretty bad right? And about her vtrigger, how good is her vTrigger bombs? Aren't they useless unless it's like in a mid combo?
She doesn't have a command grab. Raida isnt a grab. If she had a grab, she would be amazing. Its a totally normal move, blockable and all. Also her float is awful. Unless the person your playing is asleep, they can chase it down and punish you for it outside a couple small situations where you can use it to run like hell from someone. Her dashes are terrible as well. Slow, easy to see, the short dash is worthless outside resets and the MK one will get you blown the hell up unless you have done some serious conditioning.. and even then a savvy player will know he/she can see the dash and blow you up for it. We have some folks here who think these dashes are amazing, and hey, maybe Im wrong and they are super awesome, but for use in neutral to confuse or overwhelm your opponent? Its not going to work against a strong player, once they see it, they will blow you up.

Her bombs are.. eh. Ok. So, they are amazing tools that can accomplish a ton, but unless you're in the corner, you need a hit confirm to put them on the screen and you need to land a reset to make them scary. Ibuki's typical one bomb combo, not in to a reset, does about 375 damage on the top end, and much less depending on what you confirmed in with, and that heavy damage comes off a raw st.fp or cr.fp which you arent going to land very often.. especially given that st.fp is negative as shit and dangerous to throw out unless you cover it with a kunai, a limited resource. A ton of characters get passably similar damage off lik,e a bar of meter off a raw st.fp or somehting.. The damage isnt worth the bleed out required to get them. They need to be used in resets and mixups IMO to be 'worth' it.

She can work some crazy ass bomb reset stuff that does really good damage, but these setups require several kunai, several bars of meter (two isnt several, but whatever), a hit confirm and the opponent can guess correctly or mash a reversal, blah blah, so its not guaranteed.. and so on.

Her bombs are great, but to make them SCARY you have to sit on resources she really needs throughout the match, *and* she has to bleed out to get them. Unless you are just running over them you arent going to get Vtrigger until late in the round when you have low health and little time to make them work, and with her low natural health, she's probably a combo and a stray hit or two from dead by this time.

I wont downplay how powerful her bombs are, they are a great tool, but like *everything* she has, its situational how they are used and they require additional resources to really shine, requiring you, unless you just happen to be in a great position to begin with, to hoard resources and really gamble on the bombs winning the round for you. if you watch a lot of Ibuki play, I see her bombs used effectively and spectacularly, most often when she is already winning and ahead. Its not that I dont see them used when shes behind and really hard pressed, its just that in that situation, a lot of the time, she has had to spend her resources to stay in the fight and a lot of time just doesnt have them on deck by the time Bombs come around. Savvy players are also learning to deal with her when she has bombs, since she's going to be fishing for certain hits to get started.

Ibuki is very fun to play.. but.. she isnt strong and winning with her is an uphill battle. i know we have people here who dont agree, so I'll just say: Play her for yourself and decide.

I do think Ibuki might be a decent Ranked character though if you really master her tricks and such. You dont see her often and a lot of her horseshit will work on people for a match or two, because they never really have time to adjust. But she does lose heavily to the usual rushdown horseshit that is so prevalent in this game. Shrug.
 

Kroaken

Life is a block string with no gaps.
As much as it pains me to say it I kinda agree with shazzy. Rashids got enough tools to navigate guiles booms. He's like a worse cammy in that regard and I think cammy beats guile so Ima assume rashid is pretty even with him.

Seems like people really underrate rashids neutral and corner carry.
I've seen some Rashids not use ex air eagle spike to go through booms. It's a decent punish and meter isn't hard to come by in sfv. It's a free in.

And it's ok to agree with shazz. He usually knows what he's talking about best I've been able to tell. Check his YT channel. Really sick stuff.
 

Rip Torn

ALL I HAVE IS THE GREEN.
As much as it pains me to say it I kinda agree with shazzy. Rashids got enough tools to navigate guiles booms. He's like a worse cammy in that regard and I think cammy beats guile so Ima assume rashid is pretty even with him.

Seems like people really underrate rashids neutral and corner carry.
Saying Cammy and Rashid are similar in that matchup is really short sighted. Pretty sure Cammy gets in a lot easier and safer than Rashid. Can't she just spiral arrow right under booms on reaction? That and her v-skill is +2 on block.


I've seen some Rashids not use ex air eagle spike to go through booms. It's a decent punish and meter isn't hard to come by in sfv. It's a free in.

And it's ok to agree with shazz. He usually knows what he's talking about best I've been able to tell. Check his YT channel. Really sick stuff.
EX air Eagle Spike isn't really a free in. If it hits, it leaves you far away on hit and if it's blocked it's punishable. It's pretty good for getting around Guiles v-trigger or punishing a random boom, but it doesn't do a ton of damage so I don't think it makes Guile scared to throw booms. Rashid doesn't really get to build meter in that MU either. It's really not something that changes the flow of the match. It's more of a round ender for Rashid when he really needs to get that last bit of damage.
 

FL Rushdown

Champion
Saying Cammy and Rashid are similar in that matchup is really short sighted. Pretty sure Cammy gets in a lot easier and safer than Rashid. Can't she just spiral arrow right under booms on reaction? That and her v-skill is +2 on block.

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He is worse than cammy at it, but like I said I think cammy beats guile so saying rashid goes even doesn't seem like a stretch to me. I honestly don't know that matchup well though so I'm open to discussion.
 

NHDR

Kombatant
what is the purpose of a true block string.
Has no gaps, cannot be mashed out of. If your opponent DOES mash, he's screwed. I'll give you an example. Necalli has different versions of his stomp. One of them is a true blockstring, the others are not. The Necalli player may try to bait a counter-hit out of the other player by getting him to mash during a true blockstring stomp.

Makes sense?
 

Scott The Scot

Where there is smoke, there is cancer.
Has no gaps, cannot be mashed out of. If your opponent DOES mash, he's screwed. I'll give you an example. Necalli has different versions of his stomp. One of them is a true blockstring, the others are not. The Necalli player may try to bait a counter-hit out of the other player by getting him to mash during a true blockstring stomp.

Makes sense?
Actually in SFV you can let go of block (and mash buttons or a DP's etc) during a true block string and it'll block automatically until you are out of block stun. So you can mash a DP evertime in regards to Necalli's stomp. DP comes out every time if it's not a true blockstring and if it is a true blockstring you continue to block.

Try it your self, record Ryu to do something like Sweep xx V-Trigger, cr. mp xx CA so that it all jails on block. Then hold up or mash every button on your stick/pad/keyboard and you'll just have to hold that guard break at the end of the day.
 

EntropicByDesign

It's all so very confusing.
Ibuki isn't even bottom 3. Get a grip people
I didn't say she was bottom 3, but she's not strong and she's ABSOLUTELY difficult to win with. You can argue how strong she is or isn't all you want and that's fine , but arguing that she's easy to play or get wins with is.. well it's either a troll, delusion or arguing just because you like to argue. I'm not saying you or anyone else is saying she's easy, but a large part of my post (and beliefs in general) revolve around her being difficult to play and win with and that effecting her strength in the hands of average players. A character being strong in the hands of the best players in the world (most of whom agree she's weak, many after investing time in learning her) isn't an automatic recommendation for her being strong in a 'normal' players hands.

Which is also why I said 'define fun'. Because how fun you find her depends heavily on your love of the struggle.
 

FL Rushdown

Champion
Actually in SFV you can let go of block (and mash buttons or a DP's etc) during a true block string and it'll block automatically until you are out of block stun. So you can mash a DP evertime in regards to Necalli's stomp. DP comes out every time if it's not a true blockstring and if it is a true blockstring you continue to block.

Try it your self, record Ryu to do something like Sweep xx V-Trigger, cr. mp xx CA so that it all jails on block. Then hold up or mash every button on your stick/pad/keyboard and you'll just have to hold that guard break at the end of the day.
Well that's all technically true I still wouldn't recommend attempting to mash out vs necalli. He's gonna not cancel into stomp once and then you're dead.
 
@FL Rushdown @buyacushun
Hey in the corner if I'm Mika and I do the passion press and when they bounce back if I do f.HP>cr.MP~VTrigger can I follow up with another passion press or will my opponent be able to block it? Also if I go under them will they have to guess which way to block?
 

buyacushun

Normalize grab immunity.
Anyone want to face this Juri?

@FL Rushdown @buyacushun
Hey in the corner if I'm Mika and I do the peach press and when they bounce back if I do f.HP>cr.MP~VTrigger can I follow up with another passion press or will my opponent be able to block it? Also if I go under them will they have to guess which way to block?
If I'm following correctly, f.HP will launch them the cr.MP will reset them. So the opponent can block. You should use the reset to apply a mixup. You can cross-under and employ any of the regular Mika mixup shenanigans.
 

Scott The Scot

Where there is smoke, there is cancer.
Well that's all technically true I still wouldn't recommend attempting to mash out vs necalli. He's gonna not cancel into stomp once and then you're dead.
Obviously but that's not what was said in the original message, which I was replying to. I said you can, not that you should. I think you missed the point of my reply.
 

FL Rushdown

Champion
Obviously but that's not what was said in the original message, which I was replying to. I said you can, not that you should. I think you missed the point of my reply.
It was just to clarify. Your original statement could've been misinterpreted by someone newer as "mashing always works" I'm not saying you think that but just clarifying that even though dp won't come out it's still a bad idea to mash.