Street Fighter V General Discussion

[LiangHuBBB]

can't believe I have only played SFV once during the last 5 weeks, way too many good games this year
- M3 ( kinda meh ), titanfall 2 Tomb R., WD2, D2 and next month the new FF and the Last Guardian, also Overwatch and HS dem Blizzard

come on capcom bring on Akuma, Sagat, Fei and





Blanka

 

[JJvercetti]

I didn't get it at first. Then I saw the crouch and stare. . . . I would've been happily angry at that shit if it hit me.

Oh it will happen, just a matter of when.

 

[@MylesWright_]

Laura isn't good but she definitely isn't bottom 5. She has 'functional' character traits like actual damage, oki after a throw, a mix-up.. this stuff is a big deal

 

[B. Shazzy]

guise myles is such a good listener idc what you say about his juri fireball spam

 

[buyacushun]

Laura isn't good but she definitely isn't bottom 5. She has 'functional' character traits like actual damage, oki after a throw, a mix-up.. this stuff is a big deal

I'm still waiting on that list of my lies. Why are you ducking me for Myles?

 

[FL Rushdown]

I'm still waiting on that list of my lies. Why are you ducking me for Myles?

Myles doesn't actually respond to people or engage in an open discussion of any kind. Avoiding that type of stuff makes it easier for him to sleep at night.

 

[B. Shazzy]

daily reminder that infexious, one of the best giefs i've seen, thinks gief-guile is even and demonstrates it constantly yet ryu babies just cry

guile so toptier man so gdlk u guise lul

 

[Aramonde]

So i haven't played much in the last couple weeks and i download the new update (01.12) and now i cant play general story its greyed out. wtf?

 

[FL Rushdown]

daily reminder that infexious, one of the best giefs i've seen, thinks gief-guile is even and demonstrates it constantly yet ryu babies just cry

guile so toptier man so gdlk u guise lul

I'm pretty sure no one on here has ever called guile top tier. I'm also pretty sure the gief guile matchup has nothing to do with ryu or any of ryus matchups. Non sequiturs aren't automatically funny.

 

[B. Shazzy]

I wonder how many tournaments Guile will win before people start admitting he's top tier?

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i don't know much about the game but he looks kind of...stupidly strong.

I'm pretty sure no one on here has ever called guile top tier. I'm also pretty sure the gief guile matchup has nothing to do with ryu or any of ryus matchups. Non sequiturs aren't automatically funny.

im pretty you still dont know how to read then and pretty surer that if the worst/slowest character in the game can get in toptier ryu should be just fine

5-5 with zangief so gdlk btw u guise

 

[CrazyFingers]

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im pretty you still dont know how to read then and pretty surer that if the worst/slowest character in the game can get in toptier ryu should be just fine

5-5 with zangief so gdlk btw u guise

I DID preface that by saying i don't know much about the game m8. My opinion basically doesn't matter on the balance of the game as of right now.

 

[B. Shazzy]

I DID preface that by saying i don't know much about the game m8. My opinion basically doesn't matter on the balance of the game as of right now.

thats fine but i dont see the posts now about how stupidly strong guile looks being run over by ome of the "worst matchups" in the game back to back and almost a third time this weekend.

but when only the best american player gets results using guile in a few matchups he doesnt happen to lose suddenly the posters come out of their cupboards agreeing "guile so gdlk man toptier" lul

and it isnt a trend specific to this thread its everywhere

 

[Aramonde]

I saw your invite @FL Rushdown but i haven't played in weeks and am trying to rememorize stuff so you'd destroy me easy. Thanks though

 

[FL Rushdown]

thats fine but i dont see the posts now about how stupidly strong guile looks being run over by ome of the "worst matchups" in the game back to back and almost a third time this weekend.

but when only the best american player gets results using guile in a few matchups he doesnt happen to lose suddenly the posters come out of their cupboards agreeing "guile so gdlk man toptier" lul

and it isnt a trend specific to this thread its everywhere

Yeah and how many mikas get results in the world? 2? And there are how many great ryus? 3, maybe less? Honestly besides chun pretty much every character has 2-3 players that make that character look better than everyone else does.

guile isn't the best character in the game, but he's obviously a competent character with strong tools. He's mid-upper mid tier in a game where the worst characters can still be competitive.

 

[Aramonde]

Oh my god fuck that new plane stage!!! I was getting disorientated! God i hope i never have to fight on it ever again.

 

[Rip Torn]

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5-5 with zangief so gdlk btw u guise

If the Gief MU is 5-5 it's more of a case for people under-rating Gief than over-rating Guile. Guile may or may not be top tier but lately he is very visible on the tournament scene. You can't deny that. I feel that he's very strong but there won't be any time for him to put in results before season 2. So season 2 will come and you'll just say "See, Guile didn't do shit in S1" and the meta will be reset so we'll never truly know how good S1 Guile actually is.

 

[Johnny Based Cage]

Guile/Gief 5-5 lul. Myles confirmed no longer worst poster.

 

[EntropicByDesign]

Is Ibuki fun to play or what? She has so many tools and setups.

Define fun?

I mean, yes, she is fun. But she can be MASSIVELY frustrating. When things fall in to place though, shes a blast.

 

[B. Shazzy]

Guile/Gief 5-5 lul. Myles confirmed no longer worst poster.

i didnt say it. infexious a zangief who beat the best Guile and Europe's best Nash/ his Huile too and consistently goes even or beats most Guile's did.


but pls johnny based cage explain to us what your qualifications and experience are in this game and we'll discuss it. dont bother tho lul

If the Gief MU is 5-5 it's more of a case for people under-rating Gief than over-rating Guile. Guile may or may not be top tier but lately he is very visible on the tournament scene. You can't deny that. I feel that he's very strong but there won't be any time for him to put in results before season 2. So season 2 will come and you'll just say "See, Guile didn't do shit in S1" and the meta will be reset so we'll never truly know how good S1 Guile actually is.

seriously, what does gief do better than the other cast at dealing with Guile's anything? if the worst character in the game who is supposed to be Guile's easiest matchup because of the one strategy Guile excels at, plus gief's own shortcomings already as a character, could be close to even.

do you understand what that implies for guile and all the babies who play better characters in that matchup... and dont even lose it?

 

[Rip Torn]

seriously, what does gief do better than the other cast at dealing with Guile's anything? if the worst character in the game who is supposed to be Guile's easiest matchup because of the one strategy Guile excels at, plus gief's own shortcomings already as a character, could be close to even.

do you understand what that implies for guile and all the babies who play better characters in that matchup... and dont even lose it?

I know that on day 1 everybody claimed Guile was horrible for Gief without actually playing the matchup. Gief can absorb/parry Guile's single and double booms and punish Guile for trying to pressure after a slow boom. Gief can also use lariat to anti-air while moving through a boom. Also, armor on standing HP with good range to punish Guile setting up his v-skill. Gief's f+HP can absorb a boom while hitting Guile. Gief's air SPD probably beats all of Guile's air options (but haven't tested this but I assume it's probably true). Gief's v-trigger almost shuts down Guile's v-trigger if they both happen to have v-trigger stocked. Usually Guile can get free pressure by activating v-trigger but not if Gief also has v-trigger.

So, yes, I could see why it could be a 5-5 MU. It's not that far fetched. Gief struggles more against characters with good mids, mobility, zoning and multi-hitting attacks to break his armor. People just assume that it's the zoning, but that's only part of it.

 

[EntropicByDesign]

I need to play SFV more. Ive been learning Injustice. =/

 

[Johnny Based Cage]

Blahblahblah more super platinum Quote Fighter V horseshit

Oh, "I didn't say it" either. ISDD himself said he just got out-played. GG's though.

 

[B. Shazzy]

I know that on day 1 everybody claimed Guile was horrible for Gief without actually playing the matchup. Gief can absorb/parry Guile's single and double booms and punish Guile for trying to pressure after a slow boom. Gief can also use lariat to anti-air while moving through a boom. Also, armor on standing HP with good range to punish Guile setting up his v-skill. Gief's f+HP can absorb a boom while hitting Guile. Gief's air SPD probably beats all of Guile's air options (but haven't tested this but I assume it's probably true). Gief's v-trigger almost shuts down Guile's v-trigger if they both happen to have v-trigger stocked. Usually Guile can get free pressure by activating v-trigger but not if Gief also has v-trigger.

So, yes, I could see why it could be a 5-5 MU. It's not that far fetched. Gief struggles more against characters with good mids, mobility, zoning and multi-hitting attacks to break his armor. People just assume that it's the zoning, but that's only part of it.

so what makes guile toptier if he doesnt have good mids, mobility, and multi hitting attacks. because besides his walkspeed, (its not like he's nash dashing or doing air tatsus around the screen his movement is pretty linear) he's just left with the zoning part. Sounds like Fang. Except Fang has the mids, the zoning too, and the mobility but just no reversal which isnt a deal breaker in a character.

of course this is all assuming in the first place that character's tools decide tier list anyway. Guile's matchup chart possibly became worse and he already loses to 6 or 7 characters and beats 2 with thecurrent level of knowledge. i cant know all the matchups between you and me but that doesnt look like toptier to me. in your case, saying guile's toptier is most likely based of his tools watching 2 or 3 Guile's ( who themselves say he isnt top) since you dont actually play the character or even a character that loses to him. it's an ignornant argument.

Oh, "I didn't say it" either. ISDD himself said he just got out-played. GG's though.

right thanks for letting everyone know that you think its impossible to be outplayed in potential 5-5 matchups then i guess? dont be called out for being an idiot and get offended if youre just going to double down on it. not a good look lul

 

[Rip Torn]

so what makes guile toptier if he doesnt have good mids, mobility, and multi hitting attacks. because besides his walkspeed, (its not like he's nash dashing or doing air tatsus around the screen his movement is pretty linear) he's just left with the zoning part. Sounds like Fang. Except Fang has the mids, the zoning too, and the mobility but just no reversal which isnt a deal breaker in a character.

of course this is all assuming in the first place that character's tools decide tier list anyway. Guile's matchup chart possibly became worse and he already loses to 6 or 7 characters and beats 2 with thecurrent level of knowledge. i cant know all the matchups between you and me but that doesnt look like toptier to me. in your case, saying guile's toptier is most likely based of his tools watching 2 or 3 Guile's ( who themselves say he isnt top) since you dont actually play the character or even a character that loses to him. it's an ignornant argument.

Well, I play Rashid who loses to Guile, imo. I sort of dropped him and started using Alex though, who deals with Guile much better (not to bring up that discussion but it is true). When I was talking about Guile not having the mids, mobility or multi-hitting attacks, I was describing things that Gief doesn't deal well with. Guile just has the zoning. Gief actually has a lot of tools to deal with zoning. Especially the type of zoning Guile does where he likes to place v-skill boom in front of him and how he follows slow booms with pressure. Some characters have almost no good way of dealing with that kind of zoning. Gief is pretty decent at it. Rashid does well against Gief because he has the mids, the mobility and multi-hitting attacks (among other MU specific things).

I don't think Guile is Chun or Necalli tier but I'd put him in the top ten easily and maybe as high as 6th. He's not S tier but I do consider that top tier.

 

[B. Shazzy]

Well, I play Rashid who loses to Guile, imo. I sort of dropped him and started using Alex though, who deals with Guile much better (not to bring up that discussion but it is true). When I was talking about Guile not having the mids, mobility or multi-hitting attacks, I was describing things that Gief doesn't deal well with. Guile just has the zoning. Gief actually has a lot of tools to deal with zoning. Especially the type of zoning Guile does where he likes to place v-skill boom in front of him and how he follows slow booms with pressure. Some characters have almost no good way of dealing with that kind of zoning. Gief is pretty decent at it. Rashid does well against Gief because he has the mids, the mobility and multi-hitting attacks (among other MU specific things).

I don't think Guile is Chun or Necalli tier but I'd put him in the top ten easily and maybe as high as 6th. He's not S tier but I do consider that top tier.

i see that you've put some thought into these matchups, but i just think its weird that the same guys who you feel show off Guile's potential are also wrong when they say rashid- guile is 5-5. they do say that. you dont have to be the better player to have the "correct"opinion but you have know something they don't about at the level they're playing otherwise youre conclusions are questionable. it's all opinion but even through my own lens I find myself agreeing with these guys more than not.