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FL Rushdown

Champion
oh god here we go


ryu's sweep has 22fs of recovery ive seen daigo whiff three in a row in tourney pls just stop. in fact i can count on one hand ive seen someone actualy whiff punish ryu's sweep.

nows the part where bumdown tells me how he does it all time in the silver league
its got 30 plus frames of startup and over 20 frames of recovery. You can do it. I'm not saying it's easy, just that it's possible for a good player to react to it. I wouldn't be surprised if you specifically can't do it, because as I've said before. I don't think you're good.

Also pretty stupid that you'd compare whiff punishing moves when one of them has almost 5x more startup frames.
 

B. Shazzy

NRS shill #42069
I hear what you're saying. And it makes sense. Thanks for the info :)
here's du playing it


look how guile has to play and how many stomps get the alex in the first game despite du holding up. thats not what guile wants to do. bumdown should remind du that Alex's stomp has 20 frame of recovery tho lul
 

FL Rushdown

Champion
here's du playing it


look how guile has to play and how many stomps get the alex in the first game despite du holding up. thats not what guile wants to do. bumdown should remind du that Alex's stomp has 20 frame of recovery tho lul
yeah you're right. Du almost losing a set online totally means that a 50 frame move can't be whiff punished. Pretty much every stomp/headbutt that hit hit because du was mid attack. I also saw du bazooka knee under it and knee it out of the air.

As long as we're just agreeing with random pros I think I remember isdd and problem x playing the matchup a lot and x hates it.
 

B. Shazzy

NRS shill #42069
its got 30 plus frames of startup and over 20 frames of recovery. You can do it. I'm not saying it's easy, just that it's possible for a good player to react to it. I wouldn't be surprised if you specifically can't do it, because as I've said before. I don't think you're good.

Also pretty stupid that you'd compare whiff punishing moves when one of them has almost 5x more startup frames.
no whats stupid is doing sweeps constantly. listen bumdown thanks for the advice but super silver alex's let alone your experience as a gold player arent reflective of how the game is played at a competent level like at all. you keep trying to take shots but it just tickles. i've played you. there's literally no argument you can possibly make to refute how persuasive that experience was of who you are as a player.

i've beaten several diamond + alex's... i at very least have somewhat of an idea, quite possibly, of what i'm talking about. that's the difference here. Especially when there's video of the best Guile doing exactly what I just said happens in the matchup.
 

FL Rushdown

Champion
no whats stupid is doing sweeps constantly. listen bumdown thanks for the advice but super silver alex's let alone your experience as a gold player arent reflective of how the game is played at a competent level like at all. you keep trying to take shots but it just tickles. i've played you. there's literally no argument you can possibly make to refute how persuasive that experience was of who you are as a player.

i've beaten several diamond + alex's... i at very least have somewhat of an idea, quite possibly, of what i'm talking about. that's the difference here. Especially when there's video of the best Guile doing exactly what I just said happens in the matchup.
well I mean if your garbage ass can beat diamond Alex's the matchup must be 9-1 in guiles favor. I actually thought it was pretty even but you convinced me. Thanks shazzy!

Although on a serious note do you really think 30 frame moves aren't reactable? That's not theory it's just fact. We know you CAN react appropriately to a 30 frame move even if sometimes you DONT because of other factors. I never said shit about the matchup just that stomp can be reacted too and either avoided or punished. Get your head out of your ass.

Also I've literally seen isdd react to ex stomp and neutral fierce it.
 

FL Rushdown

Champion
Just rewatched isdd vs problem x in the eu regional top 8 and in one set he flash kicked it on reaction, dashed under to throw punish it, AND neutral jumped it. 3 reliable options. Watch the set.
 

B. Shazzy

NRS shill #42069
Just rewatched isdd vs problem x in the eu regional top 8 and in one set he flash kicked it on reaction, dashed under to throw punish it, AND neutral jumped it. 3 reliable options. Watch the set.


i know what video youre talking about and again youre an idiot. he didnt flash kick the stomp problem miscalculated the landing and guile whiff punished the recovery which was most likely a late reaction that wouldve been stuffed. later in the set he actually aims and isdd tries to flash kick and loses so you can stop. when he dashed under it he was literally baiting the only move alex could do to get out of the corner with zero health. wow he jumped it too? i had no idea that was optiom except for the billion times i mentioned it. also bad matchup means impossible to win now lul

this is exactly what i mean. i say stuff like "just do stomp" and bumdown literally belives that i mean sit at fullscreen, get on the mic and alert the guile player you're about to stomp, and do it. alex has just has this one move and it always lands vs guile and he will always lose. i'm not explaining to you the part of of playing fighting games where you actually play them and not cite recovery frames to backup your nonarguments that are irrelevant to context. i dont have the time or the crayons so pls dont bother responding
 
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FL Rushdown

Champion
i know what video youre talking about and again youre an idiot. he didnt flash kick the stomp problem miscalculated the landing and guile whiff punished the recovery. later in the set he actually aims and isdd tries to flash kick and loses so you can stop. when he dashed under it he was literally baiting the only move alex could do to get out of the corner with zero health. wow he jumped it too? i had no idea that was optiom accept for the billion times i mentioned it.

this is exactly what i mean. i say stuff like "just do stomp" and bumdown literally belives that i mean sit at fullscreen, get on the mic and alert the guile player you're about to stomp, and do it. alex has just has this one move and if it lands Guile loses. i'm not explaining to you the part of of playing fighting games where you actually play them and not cite recovery frames to backup your arguments that are irrlevant to context. i dont have the time or the crayons so pls dont bother
yeah sure. The frames are irrelevant to wether or not the move can be reacted to. Sure. Whatever you say. Keep posting those online sets though where du gets hit by stomp because that's the relevant part. Next time though cut out the times where he reacts to it and stops that shit.

Also pretty sure you said that move couldn't be whiff punished. So not sure if isdd is a wizard or if you were incorrect. Clarification would be nice.
 

B. Shazzy

NRS shill #42069
im rewatching the set now and he doesnt forward dash on reaction its more likely he e's just chasing his boom to followup and close out the round and reacts to alex landing behind him
 

FL Rushdown

Champion
im rewatching the set now and he doesnt forward dash on reaction its more likely he e's just chasing his boom to followup and close out the round and reacts to alex landing behind him
mhmm sure. Again I don't particularly care what happens in the set. You can dash under a jump on reaction and you can dash under bison ex trigger stomp on reaction therefore moves with the same startup frames are also dashable. I'm not saying you can do it every time just that it is possible. I don't even have a problem with you thinking guile loses the matchup. That's totally possible Alex is a solid character. I just don't think you can say that stomp isn't whiff punishable/reactable, and the frames back that up.
 
Anyone know how many frames it takes from one position to the next? For example how many frames does it take a character to switch from the cr.back position to the cr.forward position etc?
 

FL Rushdown

Champion
How strong your character is in SFV reflects how much you like the game. Rushdown never has anything bad to say about this game
I think jab/lk AAs are too strong, I think sweep x trigger shouldn't be plus 15, I think mikas ex scoop does a little too much dmg, I think Juri, ibuki, bison, gief and Fang need slight buffs and Chun needs a slight nerf. I think the game needs to have somewhere between 2 and 5 frames of input delay.

All of that being said I think the game plays well and is very well balanced for a patchless fighting game.
 

buyacushun

Normalize grab immunity.
@buyacushun Remember that thing I told you about the Giefs super store? I got something to show you when it is uploaded.
If it's what I think it is. I remember James Chen or Ultra david posting a video when they were checking out Gief. Pretty sure it was Chen cause I remember he got excited at how long it was. Which is just more proof about my complaint about the controls being too lenient. Wish there was a tighter controls option like the SFxT gem.
 

buyacushun

Normalize grab immunity.
Anyone trying to play?

I think jab/lk AAs are too strong, I think sweep x trigger shouldn't be plus 15, I think mikas ex scoop does a little too much dmg, I think Juri, ibuki, bison, gief and Fang need slight buffs and Chun needs a slight nerf. I think the game needs to have somewhere between 2 and 5 frames of input delay.

All of that being said I think the game plays well and is very well balanced for a patchless fighting game.
Oh man when the F.A.N.G. buffs hit, is over for everyone in this thread. See me in season 2!
 

JJvercetti

Warrior
If it's what I think it is. I remember James Chen or Ultra david posting a video when they were checking out Gief. Pretty sure it was Chen cause I remember he got excited at how long it was. Which is just more proof about my complaint about the controls being too lenient. Wish there was a tighter controls option like the SFxT gem.
Yeah it was James Chen. Anyways here it is:
 

buyacushun

Normalize grab immunity.
Yeah it was James Chen. Anyways here it is:
I didn't get it at first. Then I saw the crouch and stare. . . . I would've been happily angry at that shit if it hit me.

Think they'll buff Laura?
I doubt it. And if so, only slightly. She's middle of the pack. Where everyone should be, ideally. Slight buffs to the middle pack just create more top tiers.
I wouldn't be so quick to say no. From what I gathered from bits and pieces from Laura mains is that some of her pressure is "loose" so that could change. I think I heard she has some really tough MUs. And we don't know what direction Capcom will go. With the cast getting changes she could end up actually needing buffs to stay viable or could very well end up over-buffed. Right now she's in a nice spot balance wise. But that doesn't mean she'll stay the same after Capcom Cup.