General/Other - Sub-Zero Sub-Zero General Discussion

[Anonymiz]

How do you punish Mileenas tellekick. Even when i read it a cant punish?

 

[Tanno]

How do you punish Mileenas tellekick. Even when i read it a cant punish?

As a GM, there are only 3 ways to do it:

1) Make Ice Klone on reaction.
2) Block and duck, and wait for your chance to attack. It's highly possible that she'll do the Air Sai after the Telekick.
3) Just D2 her on reaction.

As Unbreakable, just parry her with the Barrier of Frost.

Those, I think, are the only way to deal with this bitch.

 

[Dankster Morgan]

I played as GM against some scrubs, so it was a good idea to test my thumb, which now is OK, and some techs I wanted to check out. I'm surprised that even if the opponent goes to the other side, I kould do the Ice Burst/Frost Bomb to get him back to his original side. This Ice bomb's radius is a bit longer than it was pre-patch.

This kould be a good AA.

The frost bomb's radius isn't bigger. It was a much better AA pre patch.

 

[NHDR]

Is it worth using Cryo if I suck at run cancelling? I'm thinking of playing him casually.

 

[Lokheit]

Is it worth using Cryo if I suck at run cancelling? I'm thinking of playing him casually.

Cryo currently use zero stamina on his optimal BnBs so you will be using the run button for regular running with him mostly. Before the patch his meter burn combos used stamina but they required low execution. Right now you won't need to run during combos but the character is harder to use, at least for his optimal combos.

 

[xQUANTUMx]

This mystic matchup is rough....Corner is the only saving grace.

 

[Dankster Morgan]

I think Grandmaster does pretty good vs MOS. Mystic is probably his worst matchup overall now.

 

[SHAOLIN]

Any cryomancer trying to play right now against my Leatherface? Need the match-up experience.

On PS4 & on the east coast.

 

[Tanno]

Hey fellas,

Does anyone have experience against Ferra/Torr?

I faced in MKXL PC one dude, who played F/T, and since I didn't know much about it I lost to this.

Can anyone tell me what must I be careful and be warned of as Grandmaster?

Thanks

 

[M.D.]

UHHUHUHUHUHUHHH

You can't do anything. You will just lose.

You can only feel happy that now you know how other people who play the 90% of the cast that can't touch Grandmaster feel.

Do upon others, what thou like to be done upon yourself.

 

[ChaosTheory]

Do upon others, what thou like to be done upon yourself.

He's a goddamn poet.

 

[RVB]

UHHUHUHUHUHUHHH

You can't do anything. You will just lose.

You can only feel happy that now you know how other people who play the 90% of the cast that can't touch Grandmaster feel.

Do upon others, what thou like to be done upon yourself.

@M.D. if you ever decide to play on pc the salt show community will be glad to have you.
The more salt the better is what I always say...

 

[Tanno]

UHHUHUHUHUHUHHH

You can't do anything. You will just lose.

You can only feel happy that now you know how other people who play the 90% of the cast that can't touch Grandmaster feel.

Do upon others, what thou like to be done upon yourself.

If thou want, I am myself accepting thy challenge to play as Grandmaster Sub Zero. UHUHUHUHUHUHUHUHU

 

[M.D.]

I am on PC yes, and I would like to play except it's so hard to find a window with my fresh spawned baby.
If RVB holds those tourneys again maybe I'll find the time to join one.

 

[Tanno]

I am on PC yes, and I would like to play except it's so hard to find a window with my fresh spawned baby.
If RVB holds those tourneys again maybe I'll find the time to join one.

Are you EU, perchance?

 

[M.D.]

Yes I am, GMT +2.

I am playing F/T expecially for the GM matchup, as it's one of the few remaining winnable matchups for that broken character.

We can grind the matchup if you want, but as I said, these months I'm having a very hard time finding windows to play. I usually jump in the game for 15-20 mins max randomly throughout the evenings.

 

[Tweedy]

How does F/T do well vs GM?

Imo F/T probably just does well vs scrub GMs who can only deal with projectiles with the klone.

 

[M.D.]

I didn't say they do well, i said it's winnable, meaning you don't get 10-0 ed like 90% of the cast.

After the patch, d3 considerably always AAs Sub's j1 on crossup and normal, which is a big deal.

You can punish most of the clone cancels meterless with bf3 (good GMs won't do them, yes).

In the corner I've gotten a lot of times out of a blocked b2 through the clone with bf3, which at least is a way out instead of back in the blender.

The loss of armor on frost bomb means armoring through ruthless pressure is now actually a risk punishable by 60% with 1 bar, which is also great.

We still don't have 2 hits of armor so we can be armor broke easily, but wakeup ex grab is still a good wakeup in the corner against clone setups, or after you successfuly block a mixup through the clone.

These things and some other little ones give you a little breathing room and you might just make it out of the match without being double flawlessed like the rest of'em.

 

[Tanno]

I don't know GM vs F/T MUs, so I'm not someone to talk about. Would need to play several MUs against them to find it out. It was my first time fighting that beast ala Mad Max (Torr). I might find their weaknesses. :/

M.D., see you later in PC. Gotta sleep now.

 

[Revenant Zero]

F/T Ruthless Vs. GM is like:
Grandmaster:5-5
Cryomancer: N/A (Haven't played Ruthless Vs current Cryo)
Unbreakable: 4-6

Like Tweedy said, it's pretty much giving the match away if you play carelessly.

 

[thlityoursloat]

I think I'm going to counter-counterpick GM with Jax one day and just laugh my ass off all the way through.

 

[Dankster Morgan]

Viscious has always been considered losing

 

[Revenant Zero]

I think I'm going to counter-counterpick GM with Jax one day and just laugh my ass off all the way through.

It's not unwinnable with Jax. I think Pumped Up is better in all three against GM.

 

[thlityoursloat]

It's not unwinnable with Jax. I think Pumped Up is better in all three against GM.

Yeah, right. I'll be picking HW for maximum lulz.

 

[Revenant Zero]

Yeah, right. I'll be picking HW for maximum lulz.