Question - Jason Voorhees Why Does Jason Need Nerfs?

[TheGangstaFace]

tremors d1 is what, 8 frame start up? explain to me how tremor should respond to jason's 6+2=8 frame d1.
you have to be frame perfect.
worse, that idiot, takedas d3 is +1 or smth. gl fighting poke wars against it.

Tremors D1 is 9 frames. That means if Jason's D1 is blocked it's -2. Which means his next D1 comes out in 8 frames. Faster than any Tremor pokes

 

[MadeOfMetal]

lol man, seriously, in a real match this is hard AF to do.

2:42

''I'll just block his D1 till that armor break ends... ohh shit, he did his 9 frames mid knee into overhead that is just -2 on block... another d1... now he does a command grab...''

thats funny cuz when jason D1's me i counterpoke it. it is negative 2 you know.

 

[MadeOfMetal]

Tremors D1 is 9 frames. That means if Jason's D1 is blocked it's -2. Which means his next D1 comes out in 8 frames. Faster than any Tremor pokes

wait what are you saying, because tremor has slower pokes every character in the game should have there 6-7 frame poke nerfed? or are you just asking one of them to be nerfed because of a character has slow pokes? in fact wouldnt that be a good reason to buff tremor pokes?

 

[MadeOfMetal]

Nah jason unstoppable beats mileena. Even top players have said this.

thats total bs and a laod of shit. calling bs on it, i know Mileena takes that one home, nomatter how you try to spin that one. Don't even care who says it. ewven if its sonic

 

[MadeOfMetal]

Just a question does everyone have backdash or other options like 6 frames to armor or even 8 frames to do something else? some make it sound like D1'ing all day on certain characters makes jason take the cake, i think its sad if he does beat those people. with only a poke. doesnt have enything to do with his Tick throw that you didn't Neutral Jump. or his armor break that you didnt account for and still uised Armor wakeup.

 

[TheGangstaFace]

wait what are you saying, because tremor has slower pokes every character in the game should have there 6-7 frame poke nerfed? or are you just asking one of them to be nerfed because of a character has slow pokes? in fact wouldnt that be a good reason to buff tremor pokes?

Not just tremor. They'd have to buff Tremor, Liu, and Sub's pokes. All I'm saying is make Jason's D1 -4. 2 frames won't kill his poke and it also doesn't defy all logic against those 3 characters. But if those 3 characters get better pokes then they shouldn't touch his D1

 

[Bruno-NeoSpace]

Can we talk about Slasher that has SAFE 50/50s that leads into a meterless 40% combo on the corner?

The solution: make Slasher's shoulder charge -20 on block. If I guess wrong, I'll eat 40%; If I guess right, I'll punish him with 40%.

 

[Eddy Wang]

Because...

I'M GONNA LAUGH UNTIL 2020 HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!


Lol this thread.

 

[MadeOfMetal]

Not just tremor. They'd have to buff Tremor, Liu, and Sub's pokes. All I'm saying is make Jason's D1 -4. 2 frames won't kill his poke and it also doesn't defy all logic against those 3 characters. But if those 3 characters get better pokes then they shouldn't touch his D1

ok i hear ya, but if we gonna do this, lets add frames to all the -2's and-3's like Reptiles D3(-3)on block. and make it universal. im down with that. but some asking for it to be 7-8 frames startup needs to die.lol

 

[MadeOfMetal]

Can we talk about Slasher that has SAFE 50/50s that leads into a meterless 40% combo on the corner?

The solution: make Slasher's shoulder charge -20 on block. If I guess wrong, I'll eat 40%; If I guess right, I'll punish him with 40%.

there are options there, if im remembering correctlyu. you can crossover on a read and force him to wiff, giving you that punish you desire. another good thing could be to not let Jason wittle you into the corner. I just seen him finally get buffed and dont want some salty matchups cause him to lose what he finally got and deserves.

 

[Bruno-NeoSpace]

there are options there, if im remembering correctlyu. you can crossover on a read and force him to wiff, giving you that punish you desire. another good thing could be to not let Jason wittle you into the corner. I just seen him finally get buffed and dont want some salty matchups cause him to lose what he finally got and deserves.

You forgot the

 

[MadeOfMetal]

You forgot the

i dont like the dodge emote i refrian from using it. id rather use

 

[TheGangstaFace]

ok i hear ya, but if we gonna do this, lets add frames to all the -2's and-3's like Reptiles D3(-3)on block. and make it universal. im down with that. but some asking for it to be 7-8 frames startup needs to die.lol

I don't agree with that. For instance, reptiles D3 is -3 yes, but his start up is 7 frames. So if he tries to spam it, it'll come out in 10 frames. Same as if Jason had a 6f D1 that's -4. It seems fair to me. Plus D3 is reptiles only good poke

 

[YoloRoll1stHit]

I don't agree with that. For instance, reptiles D3 is -3 yes, but his start up is 7 frames. So if he tries to spam it, it'll come out in 10 frames. Same as if Jason had a 6f D1 that's -4. It seems fair to me. Plus D3 is reptiles only good poke

Jason has mixup off blocked d1 (safe command grab says hi)
Jason's best string, B12 is -1 on block so he can check people with his 6f d1, there's no risk involved other than eating a 2% poke
His big leg is a 24f OH that's +6 on block, which jails into his d1. Does Reptile has such free plus frame?
Different characters have different tools
Jason's D1 needs to be -6 so mids can work properly to shut down his d1 spamming

 

[MadeOfMetal]

Jason has mixup off blocked d1 (safe command grab says hi)
Jason's best string, B12 is -1 on block so he can check people with his 6f d1, there's no risk involved other than eating a 2% poke
His big leg is a 24f OH that's +6 on block, which jails into his d1. Does Reptile has such free plus frame?
Different characters have different tools
Jason's D1 needs to be -6 so mids can work properly to shut down his d1 spamming

here we go the only this character has good tools debate nerf em... Many characters not only including Reptile have very good tools and just my opinion, Reptile after patch will be in S tier or A+ so this Jason only needs this adjustment i don't get it. We all know damn well, Taking Reptiles -3 and making that D3 -5/-7 would not hurt him in any way whatsoever. he is probably one of the only MKX most well balanced characters all around.

and its very impoirtant not to forget i was the one who said. if your gonna nerf Jason's -2 D1 then nerf all characters with that frame advantage. the reasons given to Liukang players and all characters alike who don't have faster than 8 frame pokes, apply to all the characters that have 6 frame D1's and fast as hell D3's with only -3 on block.

just saying if your gonna make a statement and say one needs it gone, remember what was used and apply that across the board.

 

[CrazyFingers]

Can we talk about Slasher that has SAFE 50/50s that leads into a meterless 40% combo on the corner?

The solution: make Slasher's shoulder charge -20 on block. If I guess wrong, I'll eat 40%; If I guess right, I'll punish him with 40%.

Did you suggest that shoulder be -20? *rubs my temples* that's not...you know delayed wakeup makes that whiff right? And the recovery is so long that he doesn't get another one for free? AKA it's not free unless he makes a read. And besides if it really is an issue, making the move -20 isn't how we fix things.

 

[Braindead]

Fuck it.

Give them all the MK9 shitters treatment.

Make the pokes of half the cast -9 ON HIT

NERF THEM ALL

 

[Pan1cMode]

ok i hear ya, but if we gonna do this, lets add frames to all the -2's and-3's like Reptiles D3(-3)on block. and make it universal. im down with that. but some asking for it to be 7-8 frames startup needs to die.lol

Sure add 2 frames to all 6 frame pokes that are -2. Seems fair.

Reptiles however is 7 frames so I'm glad you understand.

 

[Braindead]

Want a universal rule?

Your character's best single-poke loop should have a 10-frame gap.

Done. Next please.

 

[Vinnysouls]

Whoever is fine with Jason's 6f d1 which is -2... Can suck my dick and get facialized. Nerf that shit.

 

[MadeOfMetal]

Sure add 2 frames to all 6 frame pokes that are -2. Seems fair.

Reptiles however is 7 frames so I'm glad you understand.

yes it is, but i was saying to those who are mad about pokes being in thier words hard to counterpoke. not mine! i think it is easy to counter poke Reptiles D3 that is -3 on block.

you won't see me asking for nerfs to pokes being that. and especially D4's should be -2 or below. imo.

you know me i want character buffs not nerfs, imo most of the requested nerfs could easily be labbed away. just where i stand, there have been a few that really needed nerfed. Cyrax Unblockable Reset Loop(prepatch), Quan Loop(prepatch), Tanya Unstoppable pressure (prepatch).

 

[hkriderz]

Jason's d1 absolutely needs to go, no question. This is not even a discussion and I can't believe it's up for debate. Make it -5 on block. Make it an actual poke that fits into MKX counterpoking meta and not some BS tactic that scrub and ProJasons can use to continually trap you.

There should be no situation in this game where you have to guess to get out of a d1. I heard someone say armor or backdash, what is the matter with you that you're even suggesting that? If I block a poke, it's my turn pure and simple.

I like the idea of making slashers shoulder charge unsafe and leaving EX one at -6. Dude literally eats half your life on one guess and has the mids to counter you after the shoulder. But this game is riddled with safe 50 50s ( Jacqui and Kano say hi). Maybe a slight damage nerf off of shoulder would be nice.

Other than that it seems TYM rather burst into flames than give his CMd grab more recovery, but IMO it needs to be nerfed. A tick grab with Sonya level of recovery is dumb IMHO

 

[The_Tile]

ok i hear ya, but if we gonna do this, lets add frames to all the -2's and-3's like Reptiles D3(-3)on block. and make it universal. im down with that. but some asking for it to be 7-8 frames startup needs to die.lol

Just stop you moron. The only reason -2 is so bad in its case is because it's 6f startup which results in an 8f gap and not everyone has an 8f poke.

Making every -2 poke situation in the game more - doesn't even matter when they aren't pseudo infinites against a few of the cast. You can already escape, an extra frame isn't gonna make the difference, with Jason it will.

Shit posting on this level should be a bannable offense.

#MakeTYMGreatAgain

 

[TheGangstaFace]

here we go the only this character has good tools debate nerf em... Many characters not only including Reptile have very good tools and just my opinion, Reptile after patch will be in S tier or A+ so this Jason only needs this adjustment i don't get it. We all know damn well, Taking Reptiles -3 and making that D3 -5/-7 would not hurt him in any way whatsoever. he is probably one of the only MKX most well balanced characters all around.

and its very impoirtant not to forget i was the one who said. if your gonna nerf Jason's -2 D1 then nerf all characters with that frame advantage. the reasons given to Liukang players and all characters alike who don't have faster than 8 frame pokes, apply to all the characters that have 6 frame D1's and fast as hell D3's with only -3 on block.

just saying if your gonna make a statement and say one needs it gone, remember what was used and apply that across the board.

You can't tell who's gonna be what on the tier list when we have no idea what character/variations are getting buffs/nerfs and you don't know how that character will work in the next version of the game so you can't just preemptively nerf a character. Obviously if Sub's 9f -1 D3 got faster they would have to make the frames more negative. Also you said Reptile is a solid character all around and as I said you can't predict what character is gonna be what tier and how well they'll be in the next version so why would D3 get nerfed? As I stated previously if he tries to spam D3 the next one will come out in 10 frames. So what's the big deal?

 

[MadeOfMetal]

You can't tell who's gonna be what on the tier list when we have no idea what character/variations are getting buffs/nerfs and you don't know how that character will work in the next version of the game so you can't just preemptively nerf a character. Obviously if Sub's 9f -1 D3 got faster they would have to make the frames more negative. Also you said Reptile is a solid character all around and as I said you can't predict what character is gonna be what tier and how well they'll be in the next version so why would D3 get nerfed? As I stated previously if he tries to spam D3 the next one will come out in 10 frames. So what's the big deal?

i dont want rep nerfed man. i just said if they gonna nerf 6 frame d1's/d3's nerf all 6 frame down 1/3's that have -3 or below on block... know what i mean now, rep is safe i think his is 8 or 9 frames or above 6 maybe 7 frames. anyhoos he should be safe to what i said. i was just arguing with a guy that said, reptile was no better than jason, and thats a damn lie. Reptile is arguably good as anyone and is massively under-listed and played.