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The_Tile

Your hole is mine!
So Dab wins two 5-3s set, and the match up number is solidified?
You are such an idiot.

If Dab lost you'd be swinging your little pecker around acting like the MU number is solidified and you were right all along, but now the outcome doesn't fit your agenda youre very quick to come up with excuses.

It was you who even suggested the top Alien players play the FF players and what if the Liu's won? You'd have been blowing everyone up acting like it's the end be all to the situation because of 1 game. But now you're wrong, "MU hasn't developed bruh".

16 matches doesn't prove me to be incorrect
How convenient, seeing as the whole point in this was that if the Liu players win those 16 matches then youre right. What a hypocrite.

I hate blocking people, I always let the conversation play out to see if I change my mind. Why end a conversation half way through just because you don't agree with the other person? But for the first time ever I've got to do it. Tweedy, all you do is shitpost. You're a moron, nuff' said. TYM will be a much happier place for me from this day forward.
 
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AK L0rdoftheFLY

I hatelove this game
You're not regulating anything.

A lot of people told me that Alien wins because "lol Alien bro", and Liu still could win. If anything i'm regulating you because you think that 16 games, with two players who don't know the match fully, decides the definite match up number.

Get a backbone. Anyone can say anything they want. No one who is serious about the game just plays on xbox, or just plays on PC, anymore. Maybe one day i'll hook it up and play you, but until then, you're not worth my time. Maybe i'll send Basher over to mop you up again.

When you beef with someone that one of your training partners steamrolled. lol

Keep hiding.
Here is how I see it. You don't like being told you were wrong by someone who isnt pig or yomi. Now you think that by challenging me to games that changes what you said and did? Win or lose you are an asshole that was wrong.

And now you're a bigger asshole for making fun of all Xbox players. You also sound like a scrub for bringing up past games with someone I didn't even know or care about (Basher...don't remember playing this guy) like those matches were EVO.


Wow just wow.
 

AK L0rdoftheFLY

I hatelove this game
You are such an idiot.

If Dab lost you'd be swinging your little pecker around acting like the MU number is solidified and you were right all along, but now the outcome doesn't fit your agenda youre very quick to come up with excuses.

It was you who even suggested the top Alien players play the FF players and what if the Liu's won? You'd have been blowing everyone up acting like it's the end be all to the situation because of 1 game. But now you're wrong, "MU hasn't developed bruh".



How convenient, seeing as the whole point in this was that if the Liu players win those 16 matches then youre right. What a hypocrite.

I hate blocking people, I always let the conversation play out to see if I change my mind. Why end a conversation half way through just because you don't agree with the other person? But for the first time ever I've got to do it. Tweedy, all you do is shitpost. You're a moron, nuff' said. TYM will be a much happier place for me from this day forward.
And this is a solid point right here
 

Cossner

King of the Jobbers 2015
If you had the only console that people play this game on, i'd body you with Kotal.

But regardless, that's some beta bitch talk. TYM randy confirmed.
Tweedy, in the community, YOU are a randie compared to LOTF.

This is what I think, as someone who used a bottom tier trash character with several 8-2s and 7-3s for 2 years.

Tweedy, you have no idea how a bad match up looks like. You're not the be-all end-all of Alien. You think because your character steam rolls 90% of the cast that any time someone pseudo-challenges that the MU is unwinnable and terrible. A 5-5, as a lot of people mentioned, is when both players are at an even playing field tool-wise, where both can exploit some weaknesses of each other. When you're playing someone like Alien, who has air normals that you cant anti air, that has unescapable corner setups for some characters, the best range in the game, footsie-range 50/50s, footsie-range launching armor, fast pokes and fast normals, fast advancing hit-confirmable mid, a ghost hit box, footsie range pokes, fast armor and low profiling specials, but then you say you have NO tools to deal with someone in a match up, it just sounds like you don't know what game the rest of the cast is playing. No, a lot of characters don't even have a third of the tools Alien has. You can easily tell when a match up is 8-2. You can tell that the character has little to no options with most of their tools. When I played a match up like Lobo, MMH, Aquaman I had to play pin point perfect or I was 100% going to lose. Where Green Arrow couldn't shoot a 1% arrow or he had to eat 30%+, or even dash forward without getting punished. A match up that bad doesn't even allow you to move. The reason why someone like Dab is an excellent player is because he can see the holes in someone's gameplay and use whatever character he's using to exploit them. What he does is basically identify where the opponent is lacking and use it for his advantage. Because he's a veteran top player that has been playing for many years. I'm sorry Tweedy but saying that a match up like this where you have a lot to work from just proves that you don't have good adaptation skills. Because YOUR specific playstyle doesn't work on someone doesn't mean the character is to blame.

Now you have a lot of potential, but you need to stop seeing the game from Alien's perspective. Just because the character allows to compensate for a lack of fundamentals doesn't mean you have to come to TYM and confirm it.

And KL's spin is a top tier anti air.
 

Gustavness

The Tech Whisperer
This matchup is still , imo, 6.5 to 3.5

At best, 6-4. The only blowup here is tweedys BFF ejara, whoever that is. I figure tweedy was just trying to help his friend make a name for himself.:cool:

Does anyone have a link to the matches so i can watch
 

Youphemism

Gunslinger since pre patch (sh/out to The Farmer)
People can we stay on topic please? I don't want to have to hand out infractions. If you want to talk about RHS go talk about it in the RHS thread, if you want to call someone out call them out in your own thread or whatever. This is the Dragon's Fire and Flame Fist discussion. Cheers :rolleyes:
 

Tweedy

Noob
Btw I want to apologize to Murk if he thought I was throwing shade at him.

I strongly believe Murk is the best DF player period and I just thought that maybe Ejara was better in the Alien match with FF specifically.

@EMPR_MURK
 

Invincible Salads

Seeker of knowledge
Just the way i saw dab and murk/ejara play. All 3 of them werent punishing things that should be punished, but dab was really controlling the space, also once they did wp he challenged them every time if they didnt have a bar or just used one. There were a few moments where the lius would zone well, but it just took one b3 or jump in 2 and he got his pressure and 50 50s started. I see it as a 5 5 at best and 6 4 aliens favor at worst.

Just seemed like once u know ff and that u can poke out of most things without meter, alien controlled most of the match. Just my opinion
alright, well i need to play against ff in general because it still feels foreign to me.
 

Awkward Sloth

Lamest Harley, still better sloth than Jer

Gustavness

The Tech Whisperer
Thanks!

First, congrats to DAB for mixing the shit out of both Murk and Ejara. Couple things i noticed. Not a single tail flip was punished. not even 1

I did not see an armor between the second/third rekka. not even 1

Ejara's ability to convert normal dd1xxFBF4 was excellent, no qualms there. wish i could get it that consistently. fireballs are easy, but i still have problems with that specific conversion.

I dont like any of the combos that either Murk or Ejara did. you can easily get 40-50+ in the corner for 1 bar with fistibuffs, and the only time he did anything remotely close to that was 51% for two bars.

Only thing i learned here was Dab gimmicks were too leet. Tweed and buddy failed me :(
 

Unforgivxble

Don status KHAOTIC Jink
I think it's pretty evident the mu is a 5 5 at minimum or a 6 4. After dab beat murk and then beat ejara it's undeniable imo.
 

Tweedy

Noob
I think it's pretty evident the mu is a 5 5 at minimum or a 6 4. After dab beat murk and then beat ejara it's undeniable imo.
Two FT5 sets definitely tell the whole story. Especially when the Liu players weren't punishing anything.

That's how fighting games work ikr.
 

Unforgivxble

Don status KHAOTIC Jink
Two FT5 sets definitely tell the whole story. Especially when the Liu players weren't punishing anything.

That's how fighting games work ikr.
I understand where you're coming from, but can you tell me that if murk and ejara won you wouldn't be saying it is a losing mu? I think 2 ft5 sets with arguably the best flame fists at least proves something.
You can't tell me with a straight face that that means nothing bro. Cmon be real. And the argument that they didn't play as well as they could is ridiculous. You could say that for every tournament player ever. It makes no sense tweedy.
 

Unforgivxble

Don status KHAOTIC Jink
So you're main argument, is two of arguably the best flame fists both lost to one of the best aliens. So let's recap. Best flame fists vs best alien both lose...but they didn't play as well as they couldve so we should just ignore the sets as a whole?? Cmon man... that makes absolutely no sense. With your logic every time you've played someone with kotal vs someone else and you think it's a bad mu but youre both about equal skill level, or your both one of the best with your characters, the other guy can say nah that's a 5 5 I just wasn't punishing the 1 frame links....or I wasn't getting the other 1 frame link with the flame
That makes no sense dude, then every single mu we know goes out the window.
@Tweedy
 

Tweedy

Noob
It doesn't matter if they're the best flamefists or not. They were lacking common knowledge in the match up.

I know basically everything there is to know about the match. You're not going to change my opinion on it, especially when you don't even play the match.
 

Tweedy

Noob
Thanks!

First, congrats to DAB for mixing the shit out of both Murk and Ejara. Couple things i noticed. Not a single tail flip was punished. not even 1

I did not see an armor between the second/third rekka. not even 1

Ejara's ability to convert normal dd1xxFBF4 was excellent, no qualms there. wish i could get it that consistently. fireballs are easy, but i still have problems with that specific conversion.

I dont like any of the combos that either Murk or Ejara did. you can easily get 40-50+ in the corner for 1 bar with fistibuffs, and the only time he did anything remotely close to that was 51% for two bars.

Only thing i learned here was Dab gimmicks were too leet. Tweed and buddy failed me :(
This basically sums up my thoughts on the match. ^^^^

I've had a few people from here hit me up to play, and they've lost, then say "lol how does FF win". I'm sorry that Alien players are making more strides in the MU. Try punishing snag, guys. lol

In the case of Dab vs Ejara/Murk and Dragon vs Elite, the Alien players were just way ahead in the MU. People don't want to admit that because omg Alien aint mkx character where is fujin braindead omgeezus.