I forgot to add the Stand 3 thing. That needs to be fixed as well. ya his d4 is actually horrible lmao. His other pokes are so good very fast but if they added maybe 2 extra frames to hit advantage that would help so much. only having 3 frames to confirm f1 after hitting with a d3 is crazy.
You did not understand completely. For a character who gets beat by the majority of the roster, it only makes sense to speed up his overhead which is 27f. It doesn't need to be a fast one like his b2, just something that keeps our opponent on their toes. To block LF, just go low, high. It's that simple. He has no starting overhead threat or a low in mid string. It's not considered a true 50/50 if they keep the overhead above 16f. 17f is still reactable and fair. I guess it depends on the animation of the character. The animation for LF's overhead is obvious which allows u to react sooner than other moves at that frame.
15F isn't reactable. 18F is pushing it. 20+ is reactable for Humans. BS2 is fine as -1. They don't want you to continue pressure with it is why its -1. Which isn't even that bad tbh. LF has the 6 frame poke to contest basically anything that they want to do.
15f is reactable if you watch the animation. BS2 needs to be at LEAST be neutral. Characters with 6f pokes get their turn after being hit doesn't make sense.
Okay, then a 16 or 17f overhead which I believe is the same as scorpions, which is most definitely reactable. He needs something like that. Or he'll continue to be a character who depends on whiff punishes and punishable moves in order to do damage. There is no out playing your opponent with LF for the most part. LF mostly wins because the player lacks that match up knowledge or the opponent having a bad day. LF just needs help man.
If it's true, everyone can react on Triborg b1/b3, Alien b3/f4, Erron f1/b3, Jacqui b2/b3, Cassie f3 etc.
Okay, then it's definitely the animation then. Scorpions overhead is less than 20f and it's reactable because of its animation. LF has the same telegraphed overhead which could still be reactable at 17f. Why else can people react to Scorpions overhead at 17f, but no one else's?
Scorpion has a 17 frame OH that leads to nothing. But you want LF to have a 15 frame OH that leads into a big damage? Also scorpion has an 11 frame low so most people are probably fuzzy guarding it. Scorpions combo starting OH is 25 frame of start up.
I completely misread the frame data on that then. I'm on MK now and tested it myself. I was referencing a thread on TYM about his frame data that said his f4 was 17 frames. Nevermind. I guess anything below 22f is non-reactable then. You were right, my mistake.
not a troll post at all. i'm not overstepping it. F1 10f mid > 7f high . BS1 being +2 would be fine. It is safe on block already. It would set up a mind game & way for Killer to pressure his opponent because right now he has no pressure tools.
Honestly I don't even think 15 frames is reactable even if you're playing offline, on a nice monitor, and only looking for that one move.
Yeah, I corrected myself after that post. 15f is too fast haha. 22f would be nice tho
To be honest, what would a mid do for Killer anyway? He's got the godlike Berserker Stance 1, which is a great mid. If he was given another mid I think it'll be overkill. If Leatherface's pokes were buffed (hit advantage, not speed), I think he'll be fine.
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Haha, no, I know I said those things in my original post, but after a few days of pondering on those changes, I realise that I was wrong. Maybe I should update the post then. I didn't want this thread to be a war of words, but rather as a way to talk about what Leatherface could do with in a way that benefits everyone.
His cancel is only safe on hit. Opening up his opponents is EXTREMELY difficult w/o a mid which make his cancels nothing more than a gimmick and highly punishable. A mid checks his opponent if they are mashing poke or any button for that matter. A mid demands respect where a high does not. If he is rejected of a mid and a good overhead then his pressure tools NEED to be buffed to encourage his opponent to hit a button. Otherwise LF is waiting for a whiff punish or a punishable move which is sad. He basically wins if you have a bad day, which means there's no out playing your opponent with him. He needs you to make a lot mistakes in order to get the W. That is ridiculous!
You can Fuzzy tremor the low is safe in crystaline but he just spent a meter and is not plus. his overhead full pinishable and he he only gets 28% from that.
If you make Bs1 punishable you actually kill the character. He would have nothing to make his strings safe. Pretty lady has up saw and ex up saw to make it safe. Butcher has the pounce and even that has a gap. Killer doesn't need a 50/50. If you want to play a 50/50 character you have Butcher. Killer just needs a few tweaks which i listed in another post. making his pokes more plus on hit and his stand 3 10 frames would greatly help his game plan.
I agree and to add to that, if he had a better back dash and slightly faster moves like s3 and maybe d4 I'd be perfectly fine with that. But right now, he's highly punishable outside of bs1 and to easy to defend against. He's free.
