SALTY Bradycast - The Alien Outcry & Various Game Balance Thoughts

[JerzeyReign]

Lol I cant internally decide if someone who mains the character should really have a say in whether or not said character needs nerfs. On one hand, you're likely well informed on your character. On the other, you're likely biased lol.

I agree with Tom on the Mileena things. All teleports should be unsafe on block. It's black and white for me

I don't main Mileena, what gives you that idea? I mean, I can agree that -26 should be -26 on a raw telekick - very fair. I just don't agree with the sai not coming out. Would that make it fair? If the -26 was really -26 if no sai thrown?

Edit: Also, Raiden and Scorpion can both dictate where their teleports end up and both are safe. Lets fix those as well. Raiden has a safe teleport (away) - lets get a free projectile in that man's face like Mileena gets in Ethereal. I'm just kidding though. I personally don't care too much about what characters do as long as I'm just trying to get better. I'll call something stupid and move on. Pretty levelheaded haha.

 

[God Confirm]

Lol I cant internally decide if someone who mains the character should really have a say in whether or not said character needs nerfs. On one hand, you're likely well informed on your character. On the other, you're likely biased lol.

the bias is equally likely to be present in someone who has to consistently play aganst a character as well


its a shame how this issue plagues our forums

many other games people just want whats best for the game


here we draw deep attachments to individual characters and it makes balance discussion a lot harder

 

[MK_Al]

I disagree about jumpins having a gap. Just make air normals have less priority over ground normals and voila.

You know in my mind a jump in is a whiff punish - you read that your oponent is going to press a button and thats why you jump. By adding tons of options while jumping in ("50/50" with JIK beeing extremely hard to AA together with DK options that lead to high dmg and jump ins without hurtboxes and, on top of that, special cancelable jumps / teleport) NRS made a mass sport of what used to be scruby gameplay. It seems to me that with all that options I can make my oponent respect my jump ins but not vice versa (except for a handful of chars like KL). Those free jump ins lead to free 50/50 atempts and/or pressure and keep people from playing ground game. I know all of that might not be completely true for you can still tripguard, backdash, NJP, but that just doesn't feel right to me.

 

[Kroaken]

the bias is equally likely to be present in someone who has to consistently play aganst a character as well


its a shame how this issue plagues our forums

many other games people just want whats best for the game


here we draw deep attachments to individual characters and it makes balance discussion a lot harder

I agree. And thats a good point and the main reason I enjoyed Bradys vid. It didnt, imo, sound biased or scornful. It sounded fair and with interest only in balance.

I don't main Mileena, what gives you that idea? I mean, I can agree that -26 should be -26 on a raw telekick - very fair. I just don't agree with the sai not coming out. Would that make it fair? If the -26 was really -26 if no sai thrown?

Not really. The sai makes it kinda so the -26 is irrelevant. You're cancelling an unsafe teleport, on block, into a safe special. As I understand it, anyway. Which isn't cool breh

 

[Invincible Salads]

honestly when mileena does that sai shit after telekick i just d2 her on reaction to blocking the kick, solid 12%, no need to try an be tricky to get a full combo punish.


i think her telekick is fine the way it is.

 

[God Confirm]

I agree. And thats a good point and the main reason I enjoyed Bradys vid. It didnt, imo, sound biased or scornful. It sounded fair and with interest only in balance.



Not really. The sai makes it kinda so the -26 is irrelevant. You're cancelling an unsafe teleport, on block, into a safe special. As I understand it, anyway. Which isn't cool breh

there is a few posters who keep bias out of it, Tom Brady and REO are good like that as are some others, obviously certain other high level players are not as unbiased (mentioning no names), but hey even the best MKX players of us are human, and everyone has a different personality and holds impartiality to a different standard. After a while you start to remember who the honest posters are and which ones are the up/downplayers who refuse to lab, its never too hard to tell

 

[JerzeyReign]

Not really. The sai makes it kinda so the -26 is irrelevant. You're cancelling an unsafe teleport, on block, into a safe special. As I understand it, anyway. Which isn't cool breh

Makes sense but then you would have a community like MIleena's wondering why someone like Scorpion can cancel a blocked slide into teleport or something. Its kind of like what Sonic was saying in the ban Alien thread - if you take it (in that case ban) out on one character, it should be done to characters with similar things. We'll just turn into a cycle of witch hunts.

 

[Doctor Rektangle]

Are we going to have to start archiving these videos? Cause I'm tired of going to work and on break spotting a bradycast. Oh I'll watch that later. Then later comes and I'm greeted with "This video is private".

 

[God Confirm]

Makes sense but then you would have a community like MIleena's wondering why someone like Scorpion can cancel a blocked slide into teleport or something.

Ah, well there would be a very easy explanation for that, and that would be because the Mileena community refuses to learn the actual game, as Scorp cannot cancel a blocked Slide into Teleport.

All purely in your hypothetical example of course.

 

[xSamuel]

Also, Tom is 100% right about D'Vorah's puddle. I ranted about how ridiculous it was awhile back and was blown up.

I'm glad he sees it, too.

I said the same thing to a player online who caught me multiple times with the puddle while I was trying to punish it on start up. He justified it by saying it was a trade and I shouldn't challenge it if I'm going to lose the trade.... BRUH IT LOOPS BACK INTO PRESSURE THA FUUUUU

 

[Kroaken]

Makes sense but then you would have a community like MIleena's wondering why someone like Scorpion can cancel a blocked slide into teleport or something. Its kind of like what Sonic was saying in the ban Alien thread - if you take it (in that case ban) out on one character, it should be done to characters with similar things. We'll just turn into a cycle of witch hunts.

Lol can he really? I've never once seen that. The point that I think he's making is that she already has so many other good tools. Individually, not so terrible to have a long reaching b1 or w/e. But together, they make her a decent head above the rest of the cast. Thats what I took from it, anyway.

 

[Invincible Salads]

I said the same thing to a player online who caught me multiple times with the puddle while I was trying to punish it on start up. He justified it by saying it was a trade and I shouldn't challenge it if I'm going to lose the trade.... BRUH IT LOOPS BACK INTO PRESSURE THA FUUUUU

hmm, if they do that to her puddle, making it have more recovery or whatever, then they should give the ex puddle the startup and recovery the normal puddle has now and make it +10 on block or something.

at least that way the move would actually see some use.

 

[JerzeyReign]

Ah, well there would be a very easy explanation for that, and that would be because the Mileena community refuses to learned the actual game, as Scorp cannot cancel a blocked Slide into Teleport.

All purely in your hypothetical example of course.

I just picked some random stupid thing I remember seeing before (think it was a beta thing). But as you threw a shot, I gotta shoot back (though I'm just having casual talk, no beef) but we can say the same thing regarding b1 and telekick into air sai haha.

 

[Kroaken]

Ah, well there would be a very easy explanation for that, and that would be because the Mileena community refuses to learned the actual game, as Scorp cannot cancel a blocked Slide into Teleport.

All purely in your hypothetical example of course.

I was about to say... lol.

 

[xSamuel]

hmm, if they do that to her puddle, making it have more recovery or whatever, then they should give the ex puddle the startup and recovery the normal puddle has now and make it +10 on block or something.

I see this as the same scenario Tremor went through. A long start up move that has little recovery, leading to a somewhat harder to block setup, wins trades for full combos, and can be looped on knockdown. I don't see why they didn't give her the same treatment that Tremor got in March, or whenever.

 

[Invincible Salads]

I see this as the same scenario Tremor went through. A long start up move that has little recovery, leading to a somewhat harder to block setup, wins trades for full combos, and can be looped on knockdown. I don't see why they didn't give her the same treatment that Tremor got in March, or whenever.

the treatment that tremor got on uprock was overkill, and dont try to tell me it wasnt, so no she does NOT need what tremor had done to his uprock. lmao

 

[JerzeyReign]

Lol can he really? I've never once seen that. The point that I think he's making is that she already has so many other good tools. Individually, not so terrible to have a long reaching b1 or w/e. But together, they make her a decent head above the rest of the cast. Thats what I took from it, anyway.

It was just something stupid and random - it was a beta thing. I mean I took similar things away from it but it just seemed so out of place to ask for it. Tom plays Foxy a lot so he's playing one of the best but are you trying to nerf the character or the player? They are high level players and I'm really just trying to understand the why behind the what for something like that. I know for a fact Tom isn't losing to any Joe Blow Mileena's b1

 

[God Confirm]

It was just something stupid and random - it was a beta thing. I mean I took similar things away from it but it just seemed so out of place to ask for it. Tom plays Foxy a lot so he's playing one of the best but are you trying to nerf the character or the player? They are high level players and I'm really just trying to understand the why behind the what for something like that. I know for a fact Tom isn't losing to any Joe Blow Mileena's b1

I can't think of another example of something like Mileena's teleport. Maybe you should give a better example, and if there is something like this maybe it shouldnt be here as well, it doesn't justify Mileena having it

 

[Kroaken]

It was just something stupid and random - it was a beta thing. I mean I took similar things away from it but it just seemed so out of place to ask for it. Tom plays Foxy a lot so he's playing one of the best but are you trying to nerf the character or the player? They are high level players and I'm really just trying to understand the why behind the what for something like that. I know for a fact Tom isn't losing to any Joe Blow Mileena's b1

The why seems obvious to me. No teleport move should be safe (or have a shot at being safe) on block.

 

[Invincible Salads]

I can't think of another example of something like Mileena's teleport. Maybe you should give a better example, and if there is something like this maybe it shouldnt be here as well, it doesn't justify Mileena having it

u do know she could do this in mk9 too right.....?

 

[God Confirm]

u do know she could do this in mk9 too right.....?

you do know thats a completely different game.... right?

 

[xSamuel]

the treatment that tremor got on uprock was overkill, and dont try to tell me it wasnt, so no she does NOT need what tremor had done to his uprock. lmao

Up rock gave a HTB, Plus on block pressure, and armor breaking oki on his most common combo ender. It needed fixed, as does the puddle. IMO, it doesn't wreck the character it just forces new set ups for less damage.

 

[Kroaken]

u do know she could do this in mk9 too right.....?

Idk if mk9 is the game to reference for balance

 

[JesterSMX]

Alien is broken. There is no way Johnny's ex kick goes through any character regardless of hurtbox.

 

[Invincible Salads]

you do know thats a completely different game.... right?

yes, but its just about the same result is it not? like i said, d2 works wonders against that schtick.

if anything, being able to do x-ray off of a blocked telekick is whats stupid, not the sai. unlike the sai option you can't d2 her if she decides to do this, and i may be wrong but i think her x-ray is safe on block too. sure its an x-ray, but that shit can easily close out a round and win you the game with pretty much 0 risk.