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Guide - Cutthroat Kano Hype Train Video by Pig of the Hut & Machinima

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Cossner

King of the Jobbers 2015
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Ok I just got caught up from reading every post in here and I gotta say: this has really derailed from the most part of what this was gonna initially be. We went from Kano hype and his awesomeness to secret elite society NRS illuminati division. Now I take some of the blame for that since my earlier post were from a 1st glance perspective. By that, I mean I watched the vid 1 time while already having a bad day and took it as "pig's really making this guy out to be better than he is." Well, I'm here to say I watched it a few more times and in essence of what the vid was described to be, IT IS EXACTLY THAT. So to @Pig Of The Hut, I'm sorry for overreacting. Yeh it woulda been nice to show the good and bad of Kano's strengths and weaknesses but the vid was meant to be about why we have a higher fluctuation CT players. So I gotta hold that guys. I look forward to more vids in the future pig. But please try and give a perspective to demonstrate a character's weaknesses (however small they might be) in with the mix, so this clusterf*** of a thread doesn't happen again. Oh and yeh we should be more geared towards leveling up and tech talk on this site. It is sad when people call you out and say you're not good (@cossner and @PrimBloodGhost), regardless of anything that player has done or hasn't done in tourney they are contributing in some way here. So as a fellow Kano player I gotta take up for him on that note because yeh, the crybaby antics are annoying and bad but trying to "expose" someone in a negative way is just as damaging. Sorry, I just wanted to throw that in there too because this site really is intended to be a "leveling up" tool and resource. But the current direction a thread like this has taken, will definitely detour players from this site . So I definitely don't want that, because this place is both a good resource and has some really cool people along with it. Anyway, sorry for the long post.
That attitude of assuming that everyone plays at the highest level is the reason why TYM has gotten down to the point were we can't discuss anything without being a huge drama. If you're gonna come and be strongly opinionated, then you better make sure you know what you're talking about. I'm not gonna go to Magnus Carlsen and argue with him because he clearly knows his shit way better than I do. I'm not saying that his opinion is not valid but god forbid someone disagrees because you guys go nuts. And no, staying online and arguing about tier lists is not the same as actually showing up at majors, writing guides, making videos, running tournaments and developing resources. The community wasn't built on ppl staying home doing nothing.
 

ando1184

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That attitude of assuming that everyone plays at the highest level is the reason why TYM has gotten down to the point were we can't discuss anything without being a huge drama. If you're gonna come and be strongly opinionated, then you better make sure you know what you're talking about. I'm not gonna go to Magnus Carlsen and argue with him because he clearly knows his shit way better than I do. I'm not saying that his opinion is not valid but god forbid someone disagrees because you guys go nuts. And no, staying online and arguing about tier lists is not the same as actually showing up at majors, writing guides, making videos, running tournaments and developing resources. The community wasn't built on ppl staying home doing nothing.
For the majority of this yes I agree with. But you gotta understand everyone is different and has different points of view. Just because the majority believe one thing doesn't necessarily mean that they are right or wrong. That individual could have a mental clutch vs character "A" and/or not know the matchup. Also, because of the whacky ass patching that NRS pulls out of their hat, no one knows what to expect. So it's pretty scary, especially when ya finally get something good out of it. Our communities should be at least a little defensive towards their characters. I mean we are getting into a serious era of competitive gaming. It's almost a true sporting event at this point. But to address the online thing, by playing online you still have to give some credit. I say this because even if the person isn't at the highest level they are still contributing to the community with exposing matchup knowledge. We are constantly learning, so even as "different" as online is to offline competitive play, it's still a contribution and helps the community grow. No we weren't built around playing online only but it's evolving, and that is having an impact. To me what you said all made sense but I just thought the vid was a little unnecessary that's all bud.
 

Zoidberg747

My blades will find your heart
not true

i don't care if your pig to sonic, ill call bs from whoever i see it.

and even if he gets all his buddies in here to back him up;)
Nah he's right. At least as far as offense goes.

You have to take zero risks to play Kano effectively. EX buff should only be used off of a hitconfirm, otherwise EX knives keeps you plus or regular slice keeps you safe off of 50/50s. His footsie tools can all be made safe, his backdash is hard for most characters to punish even on a read.

The only risky things he can do he doesn't have to do. I can't tell you how many CTs i've seen get impatient and try to Air ball in only for me to read they are going to do that and block. What they don't realize is he has some of the best mobility in the game and he doesnt need to take risks like that to get in. He doesn't need to cancel into EX buff on block to risk losing 15% for nothing. He doesnt need to randomly use kano balls and the armor ball to try to approach. If played right he is one of the safest characters in the game.
 

WakeUp DP

GT MK OshTekk.
I picked up Kano a few weeks ago before the great Kano explosion on TYM. Let me assure you, the character has absolutely no Risk. None.

If you have meter, it's never your opponents turn or they will risk 30+ percent. He is insane.
He needs it.

No 6frames poke member.

Also b3 has shit range.

Down pokes aren't plus enough on hit.
 
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MadeOfMetal

Kenshi Srubtastic,Cyrax, Special Forces Mains
Please state what risk he carries and I'll be happy to correct you.
im done with the conversation, i kindly exit, i see its going nowhere and hate towards a character is blinding others.

the statement:

Please state what risk he carries and I'll be happy to correct you.
implies you wan't to argue with me,

that you know better than others and will come back with a page long respose as to why you are correct and why i am wrong.

nothing against you as of now, and i hope it never gets that way.

but i will not participate in a Penis measuring contest.

i have nothing to prove on this site and never will have anything to prove here.

i have my opinion that i have found through labbing and multiple sets, and you have your opinion.


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the overall tone is almost leaning towards some believe that Kano wins no matter what and there is nothing you can do about it. apparently he is a 10/0

you feel he is safe and has it all, no since in labbing anymore.

basically where i stand, i think its untrue and there is plenty ways to beat him.

and if you feel differently then prove it, no more theory fighting.

whoever says he is godlike and needs a nerf, take him to a major and vs Sonic Fox. Win and show he is better than all characters that he has it all and can not be beaten, or that you guys are playing him correctly and you absolutely know he has no weaknesses.

i have a feeling that Sonic will win, and he will show you those weaknesses, and you guys will cry for nerfs anyways, and just make the excuse that he is broke and needs a tone down.

I guarantee that sonic can open any of you up and show that weakness, so if he was safe and free, and never has a weakness you shouldn't get beat by Sonic if you are playing him correctly and utilizing every one of his tools.
 

Phosferrax

Original Liu Kang cop.
im done with the conversation, i kindly exit, i see its going nowhere and hate towards a character is blinding others.

the statement:


implies you wan't to argue with me,

that you know better than others and will come back with a page long respose as to why you are correct and why i am wrong.

nothing against you as of now, and i hope it never gets that way.

but i will not participate in a Penis measuring contest.

i have nothing to prove on this site and never will have anything to prove here.

i have my opinion that i have found through labbing and multiple sets, and you have your opinion.


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towards thread in general:


the overall tone is almost leaning towards some believe that Kano wins no matter what and there is nothing you can do about it. apparently he is a 10/0

you feel he is safe and has it all, no since in labbing anymore.

basically where i stand, i think its untrue and there is plenty ways to beat him.

and if you feel differently then prove it, no more theory fighting.

whoever says he is godlike and needs a nerf, take him to a major and vs Sonic Fox. Win and show he is better than all characters that he has it all and can not be beaten, or that you guys are playing him correctly and you absolutely know he has no weaknesses.

i have a feeling that Sonic will win, and he will show you those weaknesses, and you guys will cry for nerfs anyways, and just make the excuse that he is broke and needs a tone down.

I guarantee that sonic can open any of you up and show that weakness, so if he was safe and free, and never has a weakness you shouldn't get beat by Sonic if you are playing him correctly and utilizing every one of his tools.
'Labbing' has turned into a buzzword that people who think they know what they're talking about spout off to make themselves seem credible.

Anyone with a brain can see that this character doesn't have a weakness. He has counters, but not weaknesses, or risk.
 

MadeOfMetal

Kenshi Srubtastic,Cyrax, Special Forces Mains
'Labbing' has turned into a buzzword that people who think they know what they're talking about spout off to make themselves seem credible.

Anyone with a brain can see that this character doesn't have a weakness. He has counters, but not weaknesses, or risk.
i guess we will see when you beat sonic with him at a major.

since he has no weakness.
 

Zoidberg747

My blades will find your heart
i guess we will see when you beat sonic with him at a major.

since he has no weakness.
That is a stupid fucking argument.

I and Phos both play the character, and are telling you he has no risks. And when asked what you think they are, you on some sort of tangent. If you think he has risks involved then name them and correct us. Leave that "labbing" crap at the door. It doesnt take more than 5 minutes in the lab to see this character is safe on almost everything he needs.

Also no one said Cutthroat is an easy win button. You still gotta learn the hitconfirms and with armor being so rampant safe doesnt mean you get to start pressuring right after. But when played CORRECTLY Cutthroat Kano has no risks that are necessary to take.
 

MadeOfMetal

Kenshi Srubtastic,Cyrax, Special Forces Mains
just because you guys can't beat sonic doesn't mean that a dumb argument. that shows you guys are not utilizing all of your characters tools, or not fully understanding of the matchup.

any of you are capable of beating him, if you strengthen your weaknesses and apply good practice after every match. find what you do wrong and ask others what to do differently.
 
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