Dankster Morgan
It is better this way
He's terrible. But they're not gonna do anything to fix him so save yourself the headache.
Just wanted to note, both Sub's slides are better than Reptile's. Reptile can't go under Mid projectile meterless (with meter yeah, Reptile's slide is better but you're losing resources for a single hit). You can't zone Sub-Zero properly if you don't have either a low projectile or a big-a$$ Mid one (even goes under most of the big ones, only stuff like Kotal's EX sword or Jax EX energy wave stops him) as a Cryo main I don't know what I would do without that maneuverability that is often understimated because "klone Sub-Zero" doesn't use it too often.
That's debatable, Reptile's EX Slide is much faster than either Sub's slide and covers the entire screen which they don't. They have the same use with slightly different applications at times, but as far as mobility itself goes, Reptile's easily wins.
Because it wasn't just a nerf to Iceball in the neutral, barely anyone gives a toss about that. It was two nerfs in one. A.) its slower projectile in the neutral B.) he now needs meter to combo off almost everything that he didn't need meter for before, most notably including his Overhead and his only advancing opener string (which was already a High ~_~). I think what you are saying has some merit, like you are right he would still be trash even with the Iceball reverted, and I'd be all for leaving the start-up on Iceball the same and just increasing the hitstun on his normals increasing so that Iceball connects if it's speed in the neutral is such a problem, it's really the unnecessary scaling he needs removed and the start-up frames on his B3 mostly. Start up frames on anything not a High would do however, just so that there is SOME follow-up to bomb set-up that doesn't get poked out of and isn't DIVEKICK on block, however he literally has nothing other than B3 that does this :/
That's a good way to put it. Reptiles is a much better reversal and mobility tool, and Subs is a much better anti zoning tool.
Exactly. Thank you, sir! It's not like we're upset he can't do tons of damage with no meter. The problem mainly comes from the freeze ball because now most combos require spending 1 bar in order to do so. To put in perspective, imagine playing your favorite character but in order to do mid screen combos, you most likely have to spend a bar. It's unnecessary and I want you guys to tell me how the hell it makes sense. At least we're doing something about it.
Thank you, sir!
you came from Ermac, SaltShaker came from Kano, I came from Hat Trick/pre-XL hellfire, most CSZ players seem to be the opposite of tier whores as far as I can tell, but never mind all that, listen to these EX Quan Chi players like GAV and Cabjoy (yes they only dropped him after the nerfs) as they say "tier whores" "classic TYM in here", or Tremor mains like Krabman "you are all tier whores!", or Shinnok/HQT main infradead "CSZ is fine, CSZ players just have no fundamentals"
Lol I dropped this piece of shit. I used to think Cryomancer was bad, but this post patch CSZ has been sobering. Cryomancer is mid and and CSZ is like undoubetedly bottom tier. On the bright side it gives me a good perspective on how most of the characters in this game are pretty good.
Well Said!!
Reptile's EX slide is good. But both Subs have way better normal slides by far.
I'd like to add that when the game came out, Ermac Master of Souls was bashed so much for his fast overhead of 11 frames and 40% meterless damage. Pretty sure now, they just made his soul ball more punisheable. He is High Risk and High reward.
No character is useless. You can use all characters. But CSZ is just frustrating at this point to play. If you and I are the same skill level, I have to work 5 times more to beat you with CSZ because he is neutered like crazy. Sure I may still win but it becomes frustratingly difficult to the point that the only reason I would play him is if i have masochistic tendencies
you aren't wrong
