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There's a big difference between a functional character not having a reversal and a F.A.N.G not having a reversal

Mika and Laura are always in because there is no way of controlling fullscreen and midscreen you can't do anything if they have 1 meter anyway. Why are characters rewarded for getting in when the game is designed to make sure no one keeps you out? Someone needs to get an exorcist for the spirit of Batgirl that's possessing these developers



This theory is a month old. F.A.N.G is not a good character




It isn't something you can describe. Use F.A.N.G against some good people and you will experience the true meaning of "no options"
Noob question but what do you mean when you say "midscreen you can't do anything if they have 1 meter anyway"?
 
Nash's moonsault is the new Karin overhead.

On initial release there were people complaining about Karin's OH to no end. I haven't seen a single complaint about it in weeks though because people figured it out. It's super minus and can get hit out by anything.

While moonsault is plus, it still has pretty low priority. Most characters can hit it on reaction, but a lot of people tend to block it because they don't know this. Once everyone figures it out, just like they did with Karin's OH, it will be on to the next thing.

It can be hard to figure out which move is the best to counter it, especially if you have no fast DP, but almost anyone can.

What makes nash so good is that his dash is super good. EX sonic boom is plus and can be used to force you to block a v trigger mixup, and SIX of his normal are plus on block with decent range. On top of that he has anti airs.
 
Nash's moonsault is the new Karin overhead.

On initial release there were people complaining about Karin's OH to no end. I haven't seen a single complaint about it in weeks though because people figured it out. It's super minus and can get hit out by anything.

While moonsault is plus, it still has pretty low priority. Most characters can hit it on reaction, but a lot of people tend to block it because they don't know this. Once everyone figures it out, just like they did with Karin's OH, it will be on to the next thing.

It can be hard to figure out which move is the best to counter it, especially if you have no fast DP, but almost anyone can.

What makes nash so good is that his dash is super good. EX sonic boom is plus and can be used to force you to block a v trigger mixup, and SIX of his normal are plus on block with decent range. On top of that he has anti airs.
that has a long startup right?
 

lionheart21

Its Game Over, Man
Noob question but what do you mean when you say "midscreen you can't do anything if they have 1 meter anyway"?
If they have enough meter to do an EX attack

There's a big difference between a functional character not having a reversal and a F.A.N.G not having a reversal

Mika and Laura are always in because there is no way of controlling fullscreen and midscreen you can't do anything if they have 1 meter anyway. Why are characters rewarded for getting in when the game is designed to make sure no one keeps you out? Someone needs to get an exorcist for the spirit of Batgirl that's possessing these developers



This theory is a month old. F.A.N.G is not a good character



It isn't something you can describe. Use F.A.N.G against some good people and you will experience the true meaning of "no options"
If he had no options, then how did someone like SonicFox pick him up, use him for about 2 weeks, and place in the Top 8 at Fight Night? FANG isn't a beginner-friendly character like Cammy, you can just jump into this game with him and expect to win. His gameplan relies a lot on setups and mindgames, and also controlling the pace of the match.
 

buyacushun

Normalize grab immunity.
I just don't understand why people get so upset if someone quits on them. so what?
So take any competition where people try to prove skill and try to get a rule started where any participant can quit and won't have any record of the match. Not going to happen. Makes no sense.
 

Qwark28

Joker waiting room
I was talking more in terms of on wakeup. There are situations where you could get a raw CA off to get the KO. Ryu makes where you HAVE to get the blockstring started, which is pretty hard against fundamentally sound Ryus.


OK I'll just take as you don't actually know/understand what you're talking about. Who knows if you played against "good people". Who knows what you're even doing with F.A.N.G.
There is no such thing.

If someone does a CA as a wakeup or in any situation where you can't dodge it in time while in chip range, you have more than enough time to do a move with invincibility and hit them out of it.
 

buyacushun

Normalize grab immunity.
There is no such thing.

If someone does a CA as a wakeup or in any situation where you can't dodge it in time while in chip range, you have more than enough time to do a move with invincibility and hit them out of it.
Even ones where the attack is independent like Ryu's and F.A.N.G's? If you evade that is it just neutral then?
 

EMPRESS_SunFire

Regina George of discord
There is no such thing.

If someone does a CA as a wakeup or in any situation where you can't dodge it in time while in chip range, you have more than enough time to do a move with invincibility and hit them out of it.
If you pressed a button before the animation, you will get hit tho.
 
Among the most elite players around the world it is pretty much agreed upon that bison is a top 5 character.

Tournament placings don't mean Jack shit about how good a character is. It's not about the people who use the characters, it's the characters tools themselves.

I'm sorry sir, but I believe you are the one that has to educate himself.
oh great, you're one of those sheeple who regurgitate everything top players say.
If all these "Top Players" think Bison is so good then why aren't any of them using him?

What character do you use? Cause ill bet he/she doesn't have near as many tools/options as high tier bison. Bison has everything you could possibly want: 3 different dragon punches and kicks, 4 different 3-frame normals, 9 different reliable AAs, fastest back and forward dash in the game plus a command grab. Ive got so many options i sometimes forget them and don't use them.

What does your shitty character have? Ill bet your character is so bad it didn't even place at final round.

You're actually complaining about his dash? Wow.

As for mobility, he's very mobile. His Devil's Reverse is a fantastic tool for moving about the screen, as is scissor kick, slide and dash. In V Trigger this becomes even more pronounced.

The notion that he's easily pressured because of a lack of a reversal is rooted in a lack of frame data knowledge. His jump back heavies are great against cross ups, and can be done on reaction. His v reversal is one of the better ones and creates space, and his parry projectile, although situational, can shut down several characters set ups. Couple this with big damage and you have a very capable character.

Bison isn't weak, he is unconventional, same as Dhalsim. You want a more conventional form of mobility try Ken, Vega, Rashid or Cammy.
No one is lacking in frame data knowledge. All of the frame data is online and accessible.
You can't do jump back heavies on reaction with Bison, no one ever does that and I've never even seen that being done. props for making something that absurd up, though.

Moving around the screen with charge moves and slide? Slide?? Nobody does that unless they're trying to throw the match.
Bison is way more unconventional than Dhalsim. Having every character in the game place at FR except Bison, now thats unconventional.

Good thing his damage is great. Because characters in this game rarely have good damage so that really sets him apart... except his damage is average for his archtype unless he has v-trigger.

And his v trigger is also good too, so all I have to do is let the opponent beat the shit out of Bison so he can be a great character. That should be no problem.


Clearly everyone in this forum just hates Bison and F.A.N.G. and just wants to keep sadaloo in the low tier. :(
Must be nice having complete characters.
 
oh great, you're one of those sheeple who regurgitate everything top players say.
If all these "Top Players" think Bison is so good then why aren't any of them using him?

What character do you use? Cause ill bet he/she doesn't have near as many tools/options as high tier bison. Bison has everything you could possibly want: 3 different dragon punches and kicks, 4 different 3-frame normals, 9 different reliable AAs, fastest back and forward dash in the game plus a command grab. Ive got so many options i sometimes forget them and don't use them.

What does your shitty character have? Ill bet your character is so bad it didn't even place at final round.



No one is lacking in frame data knowledge. All of the frame data is online and accessible.
You can't do jump back heavies on reaction with Bison, no one ever does that and I've never even seen that being done. props for making something that absurd up, though.

Moving around the screen with charge moves and slide? Slide?? Nobody does that unless they're trying to throw the match.
Bison is way more unconventional than Dhalsim. Having every character in the game place at FR except Bison, now thats unconventional.

Good thing his damage is great. Because characters in this game rarely have good damage so that really sets him apart... except his damage is average for his archtype unless he has v-trigger.

And his v trigger is also good too, so all I have to do is let the opponent beat the shit out of Bison so he can be a great character. That should be no problem.


Clearly everyone in this forum just hates Bison and F.A.N.G. and just wants to keep sadaloo in the low tier. :(
Must be nice having complete characters.
Bison is not low tier.
 

Qwark28

Joker waiting room
Even ones where the attack is independent like Ryu's and F.A.N.G's? If you evade that is it just neutral then?
If you're parrying Ryu's I'm 99% sure you won't get a punish because you're parrying about 8 hits.

FANG's idk, haven't tested but I know you're supposed to follow him to punish.

If you pressed a button before the animation, you will get hit tho.
We're talking about situations where Ryu can parry to avoid a raw super.
 
oh great, you're one of those sheeple who regurgitate everything top players say.
If all these "Top Players" think Bison is so good then why aren't any of them using him?

What character do you use? Cause ill bet he/she doesn't have near as many tools/options as high tier bison. Bison has everything you could possibly want: 3 different dragon punches and kicks, 4 different 3-frame normals, 9 different reliable AAs, fastest back and forward dash in the game plus a command grab. Ive got so many options i sometimes forget them and don't use them.

What does your shitty character have? Ill bet your character is so bad it didn't even place at final round.



No one is lacking in frame data knowledge. All of the frame data is online and accessible.
You can't do jump back heavies on reaction with Bison, no one ever does that and I've never even seen that being done. props for making something that absurd up, though.

Moving around the screen with charge moves and slide? Slide?? Nobody does that unless they're trying to throw the match.
Bison is way more unconventional than Dhalsim. Having every character in the game place at FR except Bison, now thats unconventional.

Good thing his damage is great. Because characters in this game rarely have good damage so that really sets him apart... except his damage is average for his archtype unless he has v-trigger.

And his v trigger is also good too, so all I have to do is let the opponent beat the shit out of Bison so he can be a great character. That should be no problem.


Clearly everyone in this forum just hates Bison and F.A.N.G. and just wants to keep sadaloo in the low tier. :(
Must be nice having complete characters.
I play Bison, I can react to cross ups with jump back heavy punch. I can also reliably use slide to escape the corner.

I tried to help you with actual game play advice and you react by calling me a liar. I'm done with you.
 
I play Bison, I can react to cross ups with jump back heavy punch. I can also reliably use slide to escape the corner.

I tried to help you with actual game play advice and you react by calling me a liar. I'm done with you.
Dont bother, he does not know what he is talking about. Probably got bopped online and is now crying.
 

RM AtK!

aka - RM_AtK !
oh great, you're one of those sheeple who regurgitate everything top players say.
If all these "Top Players" think Bison is so good then why aren't any of them using him?

What character do you use? Cause ill bet he/she doesn't have near as many tools/options as high tier bison. Bison has everything you could possibly want: 3 different dragon punches and kicks, 4 different 3-frame normals, 9 different reliable AAs, fastest back and forward dash in the game plus a command grab. Ive got so many options i sometimes forget them and don't use them.

What does your shitty character have? Ill bet your character is so bad it didn't even place at final round.



No one is lacking in frame data knowledge. All of the frame data is online and accessible.
You can't do jump back heavies on reaction with Bison, no one ever does that and I've never even seen that being done. props for making something that absurd up, though.

Moving around the screen with charge moves and slide? Slide?? Nobody does that unless they're trying to throw the match.
Bison is way more unconventional than Dhalsim. Having every character in the game place at FR except Bison, now thats unconventional.

Good thing his damage is great. Because characters in this game rarely have good damage so that really sets him apart... except his damage is average for his archtype unless he has v-trigger.

And his v trigger is also good too, so all I have to do is let the opponent beat the shit out of Bison so he can be a great character. That should be no problem.


Clearly everyone in this forum just hates Bison and F.A.N.G. and just wants to keep sadaloo in the low tier. :(
Must be nice having complete characters.
obv you're bad
 

Scott The Scot

Where there is smoke, there is cancer.
Yikes, normally figuring out a matchup and getting that "a-ha!" moment is what I love but I can't figure out the Birdie matchup as Cammy. I think she might lose it pretty bad. I don't mean a scrubby Birdie, I mean like a Birdie that knows how to do funamental things like tech throws, be patient, anti-air and what not.

Birdies damage output + health doesn't mix with Cammys lower health (and respectively damage output, in comparison). Birdie can contest her main strength which is her amazing neutral game.

A redeeming factor is that Cammy's pressure is most likely a mild discomfort for him if she gets it started. I'm not sure how to approach this MU. Anybody got tips? At the moment my entire game plan is just whiff punish normals with fierce~arrow and it's so much more riskier for me to play that game with Birdie. If he hits me it's like I'm going forward one step and going back two lol.

I won't throw out MU numbers because I don't consider myself high level just yet but holy mother of god this doesn't seem like it's going to be good for Cammy :S

Any advice?
 

EMPEROR PRYCE

WAR SEASON "THE WEAK EXPOSED!"
oh great, you're one of those sheeple who regurgitate everything top players say.
If all these "Top Players" think Bison is so good then why aren't any of them using him?

What character do you use? Cause ill bet he/she doesn't have near as many tools/options as high tier bison. Bison has everything you could possibly want: 3 different dragon punches and kicks, 4 different 3-frame normals, 9 different reliable AAs, fastest back and forward dash in the game plus a command grab. Ive got so many options i sometimes forget them and don't use them.

What does your shitty character have? Ill bet your character is so bad it didn't even place at final round.



No one is lacking in frame data knowledge. All of the frame data is online and accessible.
You can't do jump back heavies on reaction with Bison, no one ever does that and I've never even seen that being done. props for making something that absurd up, though.

Moving around the screen with charge moves and slide? Slide?? Nobody does that unless they're trying to throw the match.
Bison is way more unconventional than Dhalsim. Having every character in the game place at FR except Bison, now thats unconventional.

Good thing his damage is great. Because characters in this game rarely have good damage so that really sets him apart... except his damage is average for his archtype unless he has v-trigger.

And his v trigger is also good too, so all I have to do is let the opponent beat the shit out of Bison so he can be a great character. That should be no problem.


Clearly everyone in this forum just hates Bison and F.A.N.G. and just wants to keep sadaloo in the low tier. :(
Must be nice having complete characters.
Actually my character won final round lol.