Video/Tutorial - Sub-Zero F'ING STUPID

[AK Stormthegates]

can you pls make like tl;dw summaries because i'm usually curious but not curious enough to watch 30 minutes of shit

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What ever happened to the written format?

 

[Dankster Morgan]

They should fix this and scale the shit outta his combis.

The shatter combos are the only time his corner damage is on par with the majority of the cast and it's not like he can just whip them out. His midscreen damage is below average as well.

 

[Solid_Bravo]

goddamit nrs

 

[CompleteMadness]

Nice.

 

[trustinme]

I'm still waiting on the triumphant return of nightmare sf.

 

[JesterSMX]

The shatter combos are the only time his corner damage is on par with the majority of the cast and it's not like he can just whip them out. His midscreen damage is below average as well.

Meterless? His damage is consistent with the free combo that comes with literally freezing your opponent.

Inconsistent combos suck. I think it should be fixed but I'm kinda sick of sub downplaying. Not talking about tom. He labs and brings the inconsistencies to light.

All the others that bitch that they're martyrs for the burden of maining sub is getting old. If he's not s-tier he's a+.

 

[Wigy]

The shatter combos are the only time his corner damage is on par with the majority of the cast and it's not like he can just whip them out. His midscreen damage is below average as well.

Well its pseudo safe 50/50s some of the cast have no options against that leads to mid 40s meterless into the same setup

 

[Dankster Morgan]

Well its pseudo safe 50/50s some of the cast have no options against that leads to mid 40s meterless into the same setup

Yeah, but that's where he gets his damage. Sometimes you just have to guess on the 50/50, it's one of the only upportunities Sub-Zero has to enforce a 50/50. I suppose it depends on how hard it's scaled but I really don't think it's anything oppressive when taking into account what other characters can do as well.

 

[Wigy]

Yeah, but that's where he gets his damage. Sometimes you just have to guess on the 50/50, it's one of the only upportunities Sub-Zero has to enforce a 50/50. I suppose it depends on how hard it's scaled but I really don't think it's anything oppressive when taking into account what other characters can do as well.

He has some of the best neutral in the entire game, and amazing corner carry. Even if his damage is less in the corner its still top 3 corner game and loops into itself. Lets be real here.

 

[Dankster Morgan]

Meterless? His damage is consistent with the free combo that comes with literally freezing your opponent.

Inconsistent combos suck. I think it should be fixed but I'm kinda sick of sub downplaying. Not talking about tom. He labs and brings the inconsistencies to light.

All the others that bitch that they're martyrs for the burden of maining sub is getting old. If he's not s-tier he's a+.

I'm not sure what the hell Sub-Zero's place on the tier list and calling me a downplayer has anything to do with me talking about his damage. Free damage from literally freezing your opponent? Yeah I'm sorry that you're having trouble with a 31 frame ice ball. Unless your talking about the ice Klone or a combo, which dude it's a combo extender just like any other. Look, maybe I misread your comment or something, but I'd like you to point out where I said any of the following:
1. It is a burden to play Sub-Zero
2. Inconsistent combos don't suck
If you were just generalizing, than why quote me?

 

[Dankster Morgan]

He has some of the best neutral in the entire game, and amazing corner carry. Even if his damage is less in the corner its still top 3 corner game and loops into itself. Lets be real here.

Agree 100%, Sub-Zero is great. I just don't think he needs to be nerfed.

 

[MK_Al]

I'm not familiar with SZ combos at all, but I noticed similar stuff when recording combos. Could it be that the combo actually is consistent, but the recording isn't? When I had this problem I speculated that maybe the character performing the combo does not alway start from exactly the same spot after reseting the situation.

 

[JesterSMX]

I'm not sure what the hell Sub-Zero's place on the tier list and calling me a downplayer has anything to do with me talking about his damage. Free damage from literally freezing your opponent? Yeah I'm sorry that you're having trouble with a 31 frame ice ball. Unless your talking about the ice Klone or a combo, which dude it's a combo extender just like any other. Look, maybe I misread your comment or something, but I'd like you to point out where I said any of the following:
1. It is a burden to play Sub-Zero
2. Inconsistent combos don't suck
If you were just generalizing, than why quote me?

That's fair. You didn't say those things. The damage part was aimed at you. The others were generalizations that were the result of needing 5 minutes for my eyes to stop rolling. My bad. You right.

 

[SithLaird]

I had similiar problems with Predator stuff whiffing randomly so changed my combos to something more consistent. Especially had issues against Goro, he doesn't fall like anyone else. He's a pain in the dick.

 

[SHAOLIN]

I'm still waiting on the triumphant return of nightmare sf.

Forgot how bad it was, but that name just gave me a headache.

 

[Wigy]

Agree 100%, Sub-Zero is great. I just don't think he needs to be nerfed.

If all those inconsistencies where removed his clone smash should lead to less damage

 

[Angryteaspoon]

If all those inconsistencies where removed his clone smash should lead to less damage

I disagree. His inconsistencies weren't intentional to consider it as part of balancing.

 

[DDutchguy]

Should we tag colt? Seems like a pretty buggy something to me.

 

[Asodimazze]

Inconstistencies during combos and blockstrings affect every character in the game, not just sub-zero.

It's how it is, one of MK X problems that will never receive a fix. Hopefully MK XI will change this

 

[Tom Brady]

Should we tag colt? Seems like a pretty buggy something to me.

No because its something that i dont think will be adjusted until maybe the next game.

But.. I will say that some ppl seem to miss the point. Its not an issue of do a reduced combo on their small collision, we already do a different and less damaging combo on their smaller collision. Its an issue of even that combo not being consistent when they crouch.

Then there are "crouching female combos" but the timing changes if they are standing causing it to miss in those situations. So now you have to not hit them, but know how you hit them which is ridiculous. Even then the "crouching female combos" get inconsistent unless you are doing 25-28% combos.

If you hit a small collision character, then you should do the small collision combo. Not a situation where you need standing and crouching combos.

 

[FrankOceansWaifu]

Did you try stance switch?

 

[MadeOfMetal]

this is fucked up. i don't play sub zero. but if this was hapening to them, they would freak out. lets say this was a combo you used in all tournaments, then 3-8 hotfix changed it, then you went in and it randomly started wiffing.. you might be annoyed at this...

i get what he is saying.

its jacked.

these hit box problems should be fixed, ther is a lot of characters with them. and it makes the game feel dodgy or broken.

these are the things that should be happening in 2013 not 2016


@Tom Brady
can you test Cyrax's Shrapnel port on wakeup?

 

[MadeOfMetal]

@16 Bit, is this worth bringing to someone's attention?

if they say this is intentional, they can shove it... there is no way a move in his movelist oh connecting with a crouching opponent wiffing not working is intentional.

 

[JDM]

dude holy shit


23 minutes.

I thought you were dropping sub for Hunter Predator before last evo? Or dropping him for Bo Rai Cho? Why do you insist on making video after video about how Sub Zero's stuff isn't consistent

please stop

 

[Wigy]

I disagree. His inconsistencies weren't intentional to consider it as part of balancing.

I think people would find him a lot more stupid if it was consistent. It wasnt intentional but still is currently acting as a balancing element