General/Other - TriBorg Why Triborg is mostly balanced and only nerfs/buffs he MIGHT need since only day 4

[Blade4693]

Smoke needs at least one armored special IMO. Maybe its just me (it very well could be lol) but he does so bad once somebody gets in and knows how to lay down the pressure. His best option is ex fade and that seems to get stuffed 9 times out of 10.

 

[haketh]

Smoke is the worst of the other 3 bots. His normals always whiff during combos, can't combo b1 into sb consistently unless you use meter, no armor wake up game, and can't phase thru sub zeros ice clones. (He's free to GM sub btw). Its not fun playing smoke right now compared to the other bots

Can't you just B1 Spear

 

[Law Hero]

Can't you just B1 Spear

I believe the issue is that if you use B1 Spear, then you can't restand them again at the end.

 

[RiBBz22]

How about 17 frame start up would this be OK? Ex 12

Just take it down to 1 frame and we good

 

[just_2swift]

I believe the issue is that if you use B1 Spear, then you can't restand them again at the end.

How is this an issue though? Smoke isn't exactly vortex or bust. His oki is solid.

 

[just_2swift]

Just take it down to 1 frame and we good

1 frame smoke bomb? what was his mk9 frame data on bomb?

 

[RiBBz22]

1 frame smoke bomb? what was his mk9 frame data on bomb?

Too slow

 

[MadeOfMetal]

Normalize Cyber Sub Zero's corner vortex. You scrubs got Tremor's corner pressure normalized.



Good.

wow.. the my character got nerfed so nerf everyone else...thats not how balancing works.

@Sunny_D You know Cyrax can drain 100% repeating hard to blockable resets, right?

This doens't fit exactly with my definition of balanced, but ok.

incorrect, first of all he is ony garanteed the setup if he uses meter, all other opions into it are very punishable. his close to ground one can be blocked! can be backdashed, can be jumped out of metered, breakered and xrayed.

Scorp has not hard to blockables, man.

I did, and if the cyrax player has the correct timing, there's nothing to do. And he doesn't even have to spend meter in the process...

incorrect as well, his low bomb into b3d4 is fuzzy blockable, just lab it.
and his so called resets can also be blocked, jumped outwith certain characters, and meter punished with several. xray and breakered. btw once they presuure you and get you in that meterless setup which is like 25+ frames to punish. they will only make it to 40% before you can break it.

I think it SHOULD be untouched. If they have to nerf him take away wake up armor so that once he's down you can pressure to make it fair.

umm he should get a buff on that scatter port (DF4EX) armor.. he should have armor while standing, and it should be adjusted while waking up. since it can be blown up off wakeup by some characters without armor breaking moves.






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sektor is fine the wayhe is with his missiles, and can be punished if you spend time in lab.

smoke is fine the way he is, i do think his ex forwards should be his wakup, since it don't do damage why not give him a viable wakup, assuming he can be consistantly punished during or after ex fade forwards.

 

[omooba]

i don't think i've ever completely disagreed with a thread before this.
cyrax's zoning isn't terrible. now projectile in this game has as much hitadvantage as net so no one wants to trade with it. and he has decent pressure. a lot of plus frames on strings
sektor is clearly game breaking right now i'm not even gonna argue about this one.
sub is definitely disgusting. wanna know who's fair? subzero. now compare this dude to subzero. like come on
smoke has the least dirt but he still has a vortex and as far as i know he can get out of the corner for free everytime for a bar

you sir are drunk to call these guys fair but i'm not even mad at you cus a lot of people are calling them broke unnecesarily (except sektor) so this balances it out

 

[omooba]

So can Scorp and just because it's hard to block doesn't mean it's broke. Also you can back dash out if you time it right. ALSO armor and punish if it's 7-8 frames fast with good reach. Try labbing it

definitely drunk dude. you aren't back dashing in the corner and you can't armor if they don't mess up. we've labbed it, it's nasty fuck outa here (lol jk) but seriously though the downplaying here is disgusting

 

[M2Dave]

wow.. the my character got nerfed so nerf everyone else...thats not how balancing works.

I agree. NRS allows stream monsters to balance the game instead. The "boring" characters get normalized while the "hype" characters remain the same or get buffed.

 

[I GOT HANDS]

So can Scorp and just because it's hard to block doesn't mean it's broke. Also you can back dash out if you time it right. ALSO armor and punish if it's 7-8 frames fast with good reach. Try labbing it

LOL @ you thinking Scorp has anything on this level. He has a reactable vortex. And even if it wasn't reactable, the issue isn't vortexes. It's vortexes with 1 frame block links now that is just fucking dumb as a fuck hahaha this shit should NEVER be in any fighter ever, this is like the third fucking time NRS has implemented it in this one game alone and people in this community keep defending it, I don't get it

 

[I GOT HANDS]

The real question people need to be asking is: are the characters still good without it? If the answer is yes, which it almost most certainly is, than let us remove this terrible piece of design from the game, if you think the answer is no, well a. stop downplaying b. let us fight to get the character redesigned so you can play your favorite without needing to rely on this trashy, terrible core design shit to win

 

[I GOT HANDS]

I would love to play Cyber Sub but im not touching him in his current state, victories would be empty as hell, and nobody wants to play against that shit.

 

[FOREVER EL1TE]

Is this what tym has turned to..... Smh

 

[ragnar0kz28]

how to fix the garbage from Cyrax and Cyber sub: easy make bombs mid and make dive kicks mid, done no more unblockable setups

 

[Dankster Morgan]

I would love to play Cyber Sub but im not touching him in his current state, victories would be empty as hell, and nobody wants to play against that shit.

Not really, play him if you like him.

 

[I GOT HANDS]

Not really, play him if you like him.

I love him but my first priority is having fun

 

[Dankster Morgan]

I love him but my first priority is having fun

Same. I understand that totally. I started with CSZ out of KP2 but wasn't enjoying him at all. Sektor really fits the way I want to play even though I can tell he is worse than CSZ(not downplaying Sektor is still really good) but hes fun. One of the main things holding me back at this game was I didn't really like playing anybody but Sub-Zero, and Sektor is just making me enjoy the game more.

 

[I GOT HANDS]

Same. I understand that totally. I started with CSZ out of KP2 but wasn't enjoying him at all. Sektor really fits the way I want to play even though I can tell he is worse than CSZ(not downplaying Sektor is still really good) but hes fun. One of the main things holding me back at this game was I didn't really like playing anybody but Sub-Zero, and Sektor is just making me enjoy the game more.

I like that me and my opponent can each bring our preferred toolset to the battlefield and use them in our own unique way, I enjoy the competitive side of it and claiming victory by outplaying my opponent with whatever playstyle that I've found works for me, and as such I don't get any pleasure from a victory where I have a massive advantage, and require very little skill to win. I can't imagine how anyone playing games competitively can, but meh to each their own.

Sektor looks amazing too. I was really weighing him up.

 

[Dankster Morgan]

I like that me and my opponent can each bring our preferred toolset to the battlefield and use them in our own unique way, I enjoy the competitive side of it, and as such I don't get any pleasure from a victory where I have a massive advantage, and require very little skill to win. I can't imagine how anyone playing games competitively can, but meh to each their own.

Sektor looks amazing too. I was really weighing him up.

He's pretty straight forward and a ton of fun so you might as well take him for a spin. And yeah I don't really like winning because my overhead can hit at the same time my low can. There's not really any reason to play a video game than to have fun, seems like this goes over people's heads quite often. I like winning because I did something cool like a well time instant air tele or something like that. I'm having more fun with my day 3 Sektor than I ever did with Señor Ice Klone and it sucks because sub zero was always my favorite character.

 

[The chosen puddle]

He's pretty straight forward and a ton of fun so you might as well take him for a spin. And yeah I don't really like winning because my overhead can hit at the same time my low can. There's not really any reason to play a video game than to have fun, seems like this goes over people's heads quite often. I like winning because I did something cool like a well time instant air tele or something like that. I'm having more fun with my day 3 Sektor than I ever did with Señor Ice Klone and it sucks because sub zero was always my favorite character.

You have come to terms with the REAL grand master.

 

[Dankster Morgan]

You have come to terms with the REAL grand master.

Lol something like that

 

[IceNinja]

I agree with this

Cant believe we're discussing nerfs and buffs for characters not even a week old.

and this

How can one delare something balanced after less than a week?

from people who have been around for a long time.

This is all just a bunch of noobs who don't know what they are talking about over reacting. I mean the guy who started this thread joined Oct. 2015. There is so much miss information about what characters can or can not do, or what they do or do not need in these threads.

There is a reason Capcom doesn't like to make balance changes within the first 6 months to even a year. It's because the balance of a fighting game will completely change over the course of a year without any patches or changes to the game at all. It changes just from what players learn about the game and how they play it.

People seriously need to chill out.

 

[MadeOfMetal]

i don't think i've ever completely disagreed with a thread before this.
cyrax's zoning isn't terrible. now projectile in this game has as much hitadvantage as net so no one wants to trade with it. and he has decent pressure. a lot of plus frames on strings
sektor is clearly game breaking right now i'm not even gonna argue about this one.
sub is definitely disgusting. wanna know who's fair? subzero. now compare this dude to subzero. like come on
smoke has the least dirt but he still has a vortex and as far as i know he can get out of the corner for free everytime for a bar

you sir are drunk to call these guys fair but i'm not even mad at you cus a lot of people are calling them broke unnecesarily (except sektor) so this balances it out

Cyrax zoning is by no means the best. ungodly negative on bombs, unless you let them hit you and don't take advantage of the gap between them.
and that net is seriously negative on block, nuff said.
and pressure ill agreee with if your at max footsie, but Plus frames come on, what just 1112 is +2 on block and its an ender.
alot is a streatch, and if your talking on hit, who doesnt have that advantage on hit.

Sektor is nowhere near game breaking so far, his only dirtis his up rockets, and that is by no means game breaking, there is plenty of options to deal with it.

Honestly CSZ is not disgusting, his Air dive kicks at 10startup 13 recover and what can only be wronge -18 block advantage, should be punishable on block.. and he would be more than fair... he already can't do alot, you surly must realize they pulled in many top players in NRS to test them out before release. and already made them fair, cant freez more than once, im honestly fine with them having almost no recovery on wiff.


Smoke actually has more dirt than most of them, but i wouldnt say he needs a nerf...

the plus 10 on EX smoke is fine, im sure it can be armored on may of his srings. and its just a tool, it kind of makes up for him not having his MK9 smoke away and toward. and who cares if he has a vortex, honestly in this meta whats different than mutiple cancels into a guessing game or a vortex into a guessing game.



My early tier list for triborg as of now.

1. CSZ
2.Smoke
3.Sektor
4.Cyrax


Cyrax is a leaky Boat and deserves no nerfs whatso ever. and if he did get one, don't dare touch his normals or specials, just take away his loop from net and low bomb into b2.
ut honestly ut can be blocked and breakered even when done perfectly.

and his "so called HTB's" can be jumped out of, backdashed, and even armored, don't forget Easily fuzzy blocked. delayed one is Hold down let off back on immideatly. and the rc timing one is hold down till last hit and hold up, fuzzy blockable as hell.


if people gotta whine about something on cyrax and get something nerfed because they can't lab it up, then take the loop away, but touch nothing else on him.

and while we are at it, if he loses that setup for HTB reset, i use as a once time HTB then combo off it. then Buff his DF4 while standing and add armor while standing. cuz he needs it in so many matchups.


sektor has great pressure with the up rockets, but its jumpable if you time it right just Cross over, or poke and Backdash.

i just can't believe that this community will cry about something they have had zero time to lab out. shows alot, Day 6 and they all must be nerfed, forget labbing just nerf them.. come on.

the people i have pulled the reset on "which is not a genuine reset" just screamed "Broke" or "OP" obviously are scrubbes, they didnt even try to lab nothing out, just said there is no way. i bet they spent a whole of 10min in practice trying to find away around it. only to state i didn't find it that quick its impossible to stop. they are different than the rest of the cast, i can't punish them the same way, they must be nerfed. it baffels me how icould go in lab for an hour and prove how both of them can be avoided blocked or down right stoped befor it happends very easily with the right practice.