General/Other - Ferra/Torr The Ferra/Torr [Block Infinite] challenge thread

[Doombawkz]

If u stand block the entire thing and its only +1... And u claimed raptor stood blocked the whole thing which led to the block stun, then how was his buttons getting beat out? Because mashing is mashing AFAIK..


Crouch blocking and standing into the OH toss would cause the toss to hit on the later active frames, reaping even more plus frames. If raptor was unable to mash out while stand blocking and taking the route to even less block adv, then how would he be able to mash out by taking your advice and putting himself in even more block stun?

I think @doombawks needs to find @Red Raptor on the beta. Raptor picks FT and doom picks Takeda. That's the only way this will get figured out.

I did it more to prove a point than anything, since people would eventually claim that b.12xxOH toss and b.121xxlow could cause issues. Not the case.

If I can beat b.121xxOH toss into b.1212 at its fastest possible speed (no delay, not waiting for Ferra to get on my back) then I wonder if people would stop thinking this is an infinite.
If the fastest speed can be stopped, one would assume the slower speed could too, right?

 

[InFlames]

I saw your inputs. That didn't look very timed or precise to me.

Yeah im done here. I forgot you can see everything down the frame on a youtube video

my execution is obviously really bad, even though I've been sitting here for 20 minutes trying to beat out my recording and haven't done so once. Meanwhile you can mash out your pokes and win. If only I had godlike execution like you.

 

[CrimsonShadow]

@Doombawkz I understand your frustration at perceived gaps in information -- but if you present it in a super condescending way, it's going to start fights that have nothing to do with what this is about.

I presume that Red Raptor is legitimately trying to find his way out, and he's not one who's been known not to lab; so if he's actually missing something here, that's something we can all get to together as a group without being at each other's throats.

Obviously if people who are good players (and aren't known to be lazy) are struggling to get out of this, while trying to take your advice, it's not quite as simple as it's made out to be -- even if it's technically possible.

Everyone should just calm down and just get to the bottom of this -- if people keep working on it, the truth will come out in the lab.

 

[Kamikaze_Highlander]

Jesus. the F/T salt is real, you come in @Doombawkz with undeniable evidence a people still don't believe it.

 

[Sultani]

If he is doing the follow up string faster, which is evidenced by the fact that he's doing it too fast to do another toss, and it's still possible to get out, then any execution where a 2nd toss is possible is slower, which leaves you even more time to get out.

Am I missing something here? serious question.

 

[EMPEROR PRYCE]

I did it more to prove a point than anything, since people would eventually claim that b.12xxOH toss and b.121xxlow could cause issues. Not the case.

If I can beat b.121xxOH toss into b.1212 at its fastest possible speed (no delay, not waiting for Ferra to get on my back) then I wonder if people would stop thinking this is an infinite.
If the fastest speed can be stopped, one would assume the slower speed could too, right?

But mashing is mashing... We see your inputs in your video, the same we see the inputs in @InFlames and @Red Raptor videos as well.

The ONLY difference (outside of blocking patterns, which stand blocking leaves u the least plus obviously) is you mashing out and these 2 getting defeated. It also looks like your spaced a bit further out as well.

 

[STB Shujinkydink]

There's also the d1 into 111ferra toss that will beat out counter pokes. Or d1 into b121 ferra toss. When I was talking to @imblackjames he mentioned that their d1 changes properties when ferra isn't in play which gives him more advantage. So even though it's not a true infinite against a few characters it pretty much is. Unless I'm misunderstanding

 

[Doombawkz]

Yeah im done here. I forgot you can see everything down the frame on a youtube video

my execution is obviously really bad, even though I've been sitting here for 20 minutes trying to beat out my recording and haven't done so once. Meanwhile you can mash out your pokes and win. If only I had godlike execution like you.

You should never assume your timing is perfect. There's always ways to streamline. Always. And I don't need to see it to a frame. The moment I see Takeda in a crouch and not ripping his fist into Torr's face, I can see that there is extra space to be filled. If this were as easy as sitting in a lab for 20 minutes, I wouldn't need to be here.

@Doombawkz I understand your frustration at perceived gaps in information -- but if you present it in a super condescending way, it's going to start fights that have nothing to do with what this is about.

I presume that Red Raptor is legitimately trying to find his way out, and he's not one who's been known not to lab; so if he's actually missing something here, that's something we can all get to together as a group without being at each other's throats.

Obviously if people who are good players (and aren't known to be lazy) are struggling to get out of this, while trying to take your advice, it's not quite as simple as it's made out to be -- even if it's technically possible.

Everyone should just calm down and just get to the bottom of this -- if people keep working on it, the truth will come out in the lab.

Everyone loves a good heel. I'm not really frustrated at anything, but I'm finding it funny that people who have never really used the character are pointing out dirt we've had since day 1, dissected, and pulled into the best form possible and saying that its something its not. Thats bad for the forum, thats bad for the community.

I could rewrite every post I've made in here and sugarcoat it, the important thing is the evidence.

But mashing is mashing... We see your inputs in your video, the same we see the inputs in @InFlames and @Red Raptor videos as well.

The ONLY difference (outside of blocking patterns, which stand blocking leaves u the least plus obviously) is you mashing out and these 2 getting defeated. It also looks like your spaced a bit further out as well.

Thats because of timing, nothing really outside of that. Also crouch blocking creates that spacing, but I digress. The point stands.
If I can prove that b.121xxOH toss into b.1212 at as fast as I can possibly get it to go can still be beaten out by say... Takeda.
Would that, or would that not, disprove that a slower similar set-up would work?

 

[Kamikaze_Highlander]

There's also the d1 into 111ferra toss that will beat out counter pokes. Or d1 into b121 ferra toss. When I was talking to @imblackjames he mentioned that their d1 changes properties when ferra isn't in play which gives him more advantage. So even though it's not a true infinite against a few characters it pretty much is. Unless I'm misunderstanding

nope not really, but if you block the d1 we're minus so it's your turn, d1 doesn't jail into 111.

 

[Doombawkz]

There's also the d1 into 111ferra toss that will beat out counter pokes. Or d1 into b121 ferra toss. When I was talking to @imblackjames he mentioned that their d1 changes properties when ferra isn't in play which gives him more advantage. So even though it's not a true infinite against a few characters it pretty much is. Unless I'm misunderstanding

b.121xxOH toss d.1 b.121xxOH toss suffers from some of the same problems that the spaced b.121xxOH toss would, being after the d.1 (which is I think -3 on block?) You can still low profile the next b.1 or standing 1.
It would be a good trick to catch people sleeping and keep them honest, but its not without its issues. d.1 makes another hole, so on so forth.

 

[EMPEROR PRYCE]

You should never assume your timing is perfect. There's always ways to streamline. Always. And I don't need to see it to a frame. The moment I see Takeda in a crouch and not ripping his fist into Torr's face, I can see that there is extra space to be filled. If this were as easy as sitting in a lab for 20 minutes, I wouldn't need to be here.


Everyone loves a good heel. I'm not really frustrated at anything, but I'm finding it funny that people who have never really used the character are pointing out dirt we've had since day 1, dissected, and pulled into the best form possible and saying that its something its not. Thats bad for the forum, thats bad for the community.

I could rewrite every post I've made in here and sugarcoat it, the important thing is the evidence.



Thats because of timing, nothing really outside of that. Also crouch blocking creates that spacing, but I digress. The point stands.
If I can prove that b.121xxOH toss into b.1212 at as fast as I can possibly get it to go can still be beaten out by say... Takeda.
Would that, or would that not, disprove that a slower similar set-up would work?

There's no timing involved, you're mashing. You're choosing a certain point to begin mashing, that's the only timing there is.

If you're on ps4. Let's find each other on the beta, I'll loop this ft string and u pick takeda and find your way out. We can record it and show everyone here what we found.

 

[CrimsonShadow]

I'm finding it funny that people who have never really used the character are pointing out dirt we've had since day 1, dissected, and pulled into the best form possible and saying that its something its not. Thats bad for the forum, thats bad for the community.

It happens. You play the character, they don't. But it's also bad for the community when people rush to be smug and condescending about the fact that they supposedly knew something and other people didn't. What moves the community forward is when everyone gets to the bottom of this together, as a team.

If someone's having trouble executing something, just saying 'your inputs suck' isn't going to move this anywhere positive.

 

[EMPEROR PRYCE]

This was around since day 1 but no one really cared because torr wasn't the most popular. With his recent buffs, he's a bit more popular now.

 

[Doombawkz]

There's no timing involved, you're mashing. You're choosing a certain point to begin mashing, that's the only timing there is.

If you're on ps4. Let's find each other on the beta, I'll loop this ft string and u pick takeda and find your way out. We can record it and show everyone here what we found.

I'm still waiting on my ethernet cable to be delivered so I'm worried about lag coming into play (I'm on router right now, and its old).
There is timing, by the by. If you watch the quan video, you'll notice that the hits follow the same, almost musical pattern.

Its not an easy timing, mind you, but its certainly possible.

b.121xxOH toss into b.1212 as fast as possible.
Yes or no, would that disprove slower set-ups?

 

[RagingRicans]

Jesus. the F/T salt is real, you come in @Doombawkz with undeniable evidence a people still don't believe it.

"Undeniable"

This guy lol

 

[Sultani]

was gonna ask what D1 was on block without ferra. din't need to.

If B121 Oh toss into a follow up B121 is shown in a way where it's done TOO fast to allow the 2nd OH toss, then the setup using looping strings into OH tosses is slower. There's no two ways about it. If the faster of the two can be beaten, why wouldn't you conclude that the slower one can be as well?

I dunno how else to ask that.

 

[EMPEROR PRYCE]

I'm still waiting on my ethernet cable to be delivered so I'm worried about lag coming into play (I'm on router right now, and its old).
There is timing, by the by. If you watch the quan video, you'll notice that the hits follow the same, almost musical pattern.

Its not an easy timing, mind you, but its certainly possible.

b.121xxOH toss into b.1212 as fast as possible.
Yes or no, would that disprove slower set-ups?

With the way block stun works in this game. Especially with how variable b121 MUST be, then its hard to give an honest answer.

Mashing is still mashing though dude, the only timing is when you start mashing. If its a just frame timing to get out tho, can Raiden have his b12 mid back?

 

[Doombawkz]

"Undeniable"

This guy lol

I appreciate you coming into the topic to throw shade, but I'd like your input too.

was gonna ask what D1 was on block without ferra. din't need to.

If B121 Oh toss into a follow up B121 is shown in a way where it's done TOO fast to allow the 2nd OH toss, then the setup using looping strings into OH tosses is slower. There's no two ways about it. If the faster of the two can be beaten, why wouldn't you conclude that the slower one can be as well?

I dunno how else to ask that.

^^ This post is the question. If I can shut down a faster set-up with no gap, would you be able to assume that I can stop a slower set-up with a gap? Yes or no?

 

[Doombawkz]

With the way block stun works in this game. Especially with how variable b121 MUST be, then its hard to give an honest answer.

Mashing is still mashing though dude, the only timing is when you start mashing. If its a just frame timing to get out tho, can Raiden have his b12 mid back?

Its a fair question. You could apply it to anything.

If I can interrupt the same string 1 or 2 frames faster, would you be able to assume I can stop the same string if its slower?

 

[EMPEROR PRYCE]

Its a fair question. You could apply it to anything.

If I can interrupt the same string 1 or 2 frames faster, would you be able to assume I can stop the same string if its slower?

Sure, but if it comes down to a just frame timing to escape and you lose 40-60% (lord Paulo Kreygasm) for mashing out in correctly, then isn't that something that may need to be looked at?

 

[RagingRicans]

This kinda reminds me of the time Tom Brady made a video about Quan's pseudo unblockable and Dink made a rebuttal video,but the timing was completely altered.

I'm gonna need you to be more honest here, Doomcuckz

 

[Generalbit]

Guys... From the perspective of someone completely not involved: Everyone needs to relax. Ferra/Torr doesn't have anything nuts. What would be nuts is if FToss on block sucked the opponent in, and there were 2 Ferras that way one would always be on his back... That would be hilarious

 

[InFlames]

You should never assume your timing is perfect.

ok

Please note, this is an even more crisp and precise timing than Raptor's video, meaning this is AS CLOSE as its going to get to the real thing. I grinded the timing of b.121xxOH to b.121xxOH to a frame at the most.

 

[EMPEROR PRYCE]

Guys... From the perspective of someone completely not involved: Everyone needs to relax. Ferra/Torr doesn't have anything nuts. What would be nuts is if FToss on block sucked the opponent in, and there were 2 Ferras that way one would always be on his back... That would be hilarious

Ft is getting 40+ off any touch now.

Ruthless is getting 50-70 w png lol ggs

 

[Generalbit]

Ft is getting 40+ off any touch now.

Ruthless is getting 50-70 w png lol ggs

My bad. I meant on block