sounds like you've just about summed up sub, nice. This post definitely comes off as someone with a lot of experience against competent sub zeros so I really appreciate it
I miss his flow too, he played so fluent in MK9. His animations in MKX are so weird & choppy imo, it is what it is I guess...
I am with you on this. The character needs to be tonned down in the corner ice clone trap rather than being buffed to be a block pressure character with 50/50s.Well, i'm going to throw myself into the lions den on this.
Before I start, I'm going to already post this for @zoofs :" Please stop posting. Thank you." so he doesn't bother after.
So, I agree with consistency for b33, that should work the same one way or the other.
But the rest:
* Plus on block pressure...for Grandmaster.
Not sure if serious or borderline post-apocalyptic.
So you want clone AND plus on block pressure? I understand you feel bad that you actually have to PLAY the game to win,even for the small extent that GM mains do, but really, don't you want an option to press X-Ray and have the AI play for you?
I understand you like to win but you have to remember this game goes both ways, your opponent has to play also, not just wait until you chip and +onblock into clone him until the timer ends. Be considerate and not selfish.
* Clone going away on block is a good change.
To quote someone from above: "its not hard to fight off. just break it with meter or projectile" Are you serious? It's not hard? It's ok, I can bring meter from home to break your 978367 clones that you do in the match. I see it now, hell I can borrow meter from mk9 as well.
You people can not be serious when you consider meter as a counter to clone. It's so easy to get meter that why not, I can sell some meter at a table at tournaments to players going in the match against GM.
The change that GM needs is to NERF his clone activation range, because it is NOT ok for clone to activate point blank in string gaps or when the opponent is running towards you. Clone working as a counter is NOT balanced. If you want a counter, use Unbreakable.
The change that Subzero as a whole needs is to NERF his db1 ex on block making it full combo punishable by everyone. Having an armored launcher that only a couple of characters can punish because of pushback is NOT ok.
Just keppin-it-real for those that are too scared to speak out for this because they get flak. So burn me at the stake, I'll take it for the team
The "just use an enhanced special to punish clone" disease was spread by Brady, "How is clone good if it can be punished for a BAR of METER?". I can not believe that guy. GM players need to start playing the game and forget the times where they put out clone and went for dinner.Well, i'm going to throw myself into the lions den on this.
Before I start, I'm going to already post this for @zoofs :" Please stop posting. Thank you." so he doesn't bother after.
So, I agree with consistency for b33, that should work the same one way or the other.
But the rest:
* Plus on block pressure...for Grandmaster.
Not sure if serious or borderline post-apocalyptic.
So you want clone AND plus on block pressure? I understand you feel bad that you actually have to PLAY the game to win,even for the small extent that GM mains do, but really, don't you want an option to press X-Ray and have the AI play for you?
I understand you like to win but you have to remember this game goes both ways, your opponent has to play also, not just wait until you chip and +onblock into clone him until the timer ends. Be considerate and not selfish.
* Clone going away on block is a good change.
To quote someone from above: "its not hard to fight off. just break it with meter or projectile" Are you serious? It's not hard? It's ok, I can bring meter from home to break your 978367 clones that you do in the match. I see it now, hell I can borrow meter from mk9 as well.
You people can not be serious when you consider meter as a counter to clone. It's so easy to get meter that why not, I can sell some meter at a table at tournaments to players going in the match against GM.
The change that GM needs is to NERF his clone activation range, because it is NOT ok for clone to activate point blank in string gaps or when the opponent is running towards you. Clone working as a counter is NOT balanced. If you want a counter, use Unbreakable.
The change that Subzero as a whole needs is to NERF his db1 ex on block making it full combo punishable by everyone. Having an armored launcher that only a couple of characters can punish because of pushback is NOT ok.
Just keppin-it-real for those that are too scared to speak out for this because they get flak. So burn me at the stake, I'll take it for the team
LMAO.Well, i'm going to throw myself into the lions den on this.
Before I start, I'm going to already post this for @zoofs :" Please stop posting. Thank you." so he doesn't bother after.
So, I agree with consistency for b33, that should work the same one way or the other.
But the rest:
* Plus on block pressure...for Grandmaster.
Not sure if serious or borderline post-apocalyptic.
So you want clone AND plus on block pressure? I understand you feel bad that you actually have to PLAY the game to win,even for the small extent that GM mains do, but really, don't you want an option to press X-Ray and have the AI play for you?
I understand you like to win but you have to remember this game goes both ways, your opponent has to play also, not just wait until you chip and +onblock into clone him until the timer ends. Be considerate and not selfish.
* Clone going away on block is a good change.
To quote someone from above: "its not hard to fight off. just break it with meter or projectile" Are you serious? It's not hard? It's ok, I can bring meter from home to break your 978367 clones that you do in the match. I see it now, hell I can borrow meter from mk9 as well.
You people can not be serious when you consider meter as a counter to clone. It's so easy to get meter that why not, I can sell some meter at a table at tournaments to players going in the match against GM.
The change that GM needs is to NERF his clone activation range, because it is NOT ok for clone to activate point blank in string gaps or when the opponent is running towards you. Clone working as a counter is NOT balanced. If you want a counter, use Unbreakable.
The change that Subzero as a whole needs is to NERF his db1 ex on block making it full combo punishable by everyone. Having an armored launcher that only a couple of characters can punish because of pushback is NOT ok.
Just keppin-it-real for those that are too scared to speak out for this because they get flak. So burn me at the stake, I'll take it for the team
Why reply to my old statement instead of the newest one? And again, grandmaster Sub doesn't get a lot of damage because of his tools. Cryo gets damage though. Unbreakable damage may be costly but it's defensive variation. If you want GM sub to be so good get ready to do 10% midscreen instead of 20-25%. 20-25% off of mixups or a space controlling tool that independent of you. A tool that takes simply entering the command to do.
Didn't NRS make it harder to beat though? It sure feels that way.
Yeah b12 xx clone will get punished, I expect it to. But typically it's punished as a reversal from the b12, suddenly making that string a strong bait depending on if you clone, ex statue, or simply block. Madzin used this vs. Ketchup Quan, baiting trance multiple times. It's an added level to the MU.
um, why would they link on diff. hitoxes then?Surely it wasn't intended to happen only on females.. You and i know it was not intended this way.. and its not like when they get the corner they oppononet has NO options.. maybe you you just have't labbed with your character on how get out
yeah maybe cryo could be the answer, but he's unsafe as hell, not to mention you can jump outta mb hammer on reaction. And cuz I felt like it, it's my thread right? Maybe I didn't like your pervious post
Madzin won a major in the EU with sub. And has Quan Chi won a major? But he is considered a top 3 character. I would love theses changes and the way you presented them makes sense and is very well thought out. I still think grandmaster is pretty underrated.You upplayers you, he's not gravy he's a cool character... did even prepatch sub make a top 8? yeah that's what I thought, I mean that in a joking tone btw... text can be taken out of context too easily.. reason I don't post too much.. but honestly.. if these changes came through... I have faith you guys would like them, and pretty sure tom woulda won a lot.
That's in the EU though and once... put madzin over here in our tournys and lets see how far he makes it using all sub.. I like madzin though, but lts be real.
Yeah I can see your point. I think he would do pretty good. Did he make top 32 or top 16 at evo? I can't remember but that's pretty good.
man tym is incredibly dumb, forget having a real discussion right? Dude, the character needs helphe's not a/a+ lets be real here, he could use some help, cryo got good buffs why not gm? and yeah I like the mk9 sub style much better
yeah something like that... even madzin's playing blood god... so he knows whats up, tom's messing around with other characters lately...
yup, remember woundcowboy used him? after the nerfs he was like "fuck this im out" Only person keepin ppl playing this character is Tom and fans and such
Whoever Tom uses doesn't mean anything to how good sub is. Madzin has been playing blood God the whole time I think. Are you actually implying that blood God is better than grandmaster? It's entierely up to you who you play and if sub doesn't do what you want in a character then by all means go for it.
ppl have been wanting this since day 1, soo possibly they'd have to start from scratch and I suspect it may be a breathing hitbox thing? MAN if they could fix that it'd help all the whiffing issues across the cast, maybe kp2... Let's hope.. I don't see why they wouldn't want it to link.. I think it's just they can't do it
B12 xx statue works on block 100% of the time since the validity check adjustment. It's just 1 of 3 options in that situation though.
