General/Other - Dualist Liu Kang: Dualist General Discussion

[kaseyk]

Flame fist got stealth nerfed the unsafe low fireball after wp can be armored out of now and the wp 2-1 just feels shitty now .

df got bodied by the patch we can all agree .

Dualist wasn't miles behind before now I think it's his best . always was the most stylish lol .

 

[Phosferrax]

Flame fist got stealth nerfed the unsafe low fireball after wp can be armored out of now and the wp 2-1 just feels shitty now .

df got bodied by the patch we can all agree .

Dualist wasn't miles behind before now I think it's his best . always was the most stylish lol .

You could always armour before the low fireball. And DF is still better than Dualist.

 

[kaseyk]

It jailed for sure kung Lao couldn't spin pre patch .
Df only has the flying kick and ease of use over dualist now. it did get hurt alot by the patch .
To me only negative dualist got is universal f213 nerf .

 

[AssassiN]

Flame fist got stealth nerfed the unsafe low fireball after wp can be armored out of now and the wp 2-1 just feels shitty now .

df got bodied by the patch we can all agree .

Dualist wasn't miles behind before now I think it's his best . always was the most stylish lol .

Dragon Fire is still probably Liu's best variation, maybe FF that is on a similar level. It's just not as stupid anymore.

You could always armor between any cancel.

 

[FOREVER EL1TE]

I may have found a reverse wakeup. But I gotta go to sleep now lol so I'll bring results tomorrow around 6

 

[FOREVER EL1TE]

F44 (cancel second hit) into S113 is a one frame link. Well guys we now have a low combo starter in the corner. But it's a one frame link so start Daigo-ing it up

 

[HateMe!]

I thought f+3~SS 113 links?

 

[FOREVER EL1TE]

I thought f+3~SS 113 links?

It does, but f3 isn't a tool you'll be using in pressure.

 

[HateMe!]

It's pretty slow, yeah; I sometimes throw it out in the corner on opp's wakeup after conditioning them to respect b+1. f+4 doesn't jail anymore after f+2,1,3~SS in the corner, right?
Btw. he's so hard to play but satysfying af.

 

[Derptile]

Dragon Fire is still probably Liu's best variation, maybe FF that is on a similar level. It's just not as stupid anymore.

You could always armor between any cancel.

Flame Fist is still no where near as good as Dragon's Fire. the only real noticeable nerf he got was B12 FBRC becoming negative so he can't abuse it anymore, otherwise he's still +12 on F213 FBRC, +9 on F44 FBRC, +10 or more on 112/B34 FBRC, +2 on Ex Dragon kick MB, and still has his zoning.

He's still top 10, and good contender for top 5.

 

[AssassiN]

Flame Fist is still no where near as good as Dragon's Fire. the only real noticeable nerf he got was B12 FBRC becoming negative so he can't abuse it anymore, otherwise he's still +12 on F213 FBRC, +9 on F44 FBRC, +10 or more on 112/B34 FBRC, +2 on Ex Dragon kick MB, and still has his zoning.

He's still top 10, and good contender for top 5.

I think the same about DF, but I can't get used to the new timing lol. Too used to the old one...

 

[Phosferrax]

It's making in really sad that his 111 and 112 still don't work properly. Tired of getting poked out of my 'mids' in the middle of the frigging string.

 

[GreatKungLao]

It's making in really sad that his 111 and 112 still don't work properly. Tired of getting poked out of my 'mids' in the middle of the frigging string.

I also sick tired of the gap in 113. This is the only one universal overhead combo starter that easily blockable on reaction, why the hell making a gap there too. It costed me a match yesterday at local tournament when I hit Tanya with 113 while she was blocking low, but she traded my overhead with a poke and I lost, even though I was at the verge of making the greatest come back against match up that I still think is 10-0.

 

[FOREVER EL1TE]

So here's what I believe is dualist bad matchups after the patch:
Tanya 4-6
Kl 4-6
Jacqui Briggs (Shotgun only) 4-6
Predator (The laser version I'm not spelling that variation lol) 4-6
Cassie 4-6
Ermac 3-7

Matchups that got better
Kitana
Erron Black
Quan Chi
Kotal Kahn

 

[Phosferrax]

So here's what I believe is dualist bad matchups after the patch:
Tanya 4-6
Kl 4-6
Jacqui Briggs (Shotgun only) 4-6
Predator (The laser version I'm not spelling that variation lol) 4-6
Cassie 4-6
Ermac 3-7

Matchups that got better
Kitana
Erron Black
Quan Chi
Kotal Kahn

I think he does ok against Buzzsaw Lao, but Tempest sucks.

 

[FOREVER EL1TE]

I think he does ok against Buzzsaw Lao, but Tempest sucks.

I should've put tempest next to it because that's all I meant

 

[Percimon]

Inputs:
1. b12, dd1, 113, b34, f44, fbf4, f213, db3 (until 1st charge) - 35% + increased damage;
2. 112, dd1, f44, fbf4, db3 (until 1st charge) - 24% + increased damage;
3. 4, dd1, 113, b34, f44, db3 (until 1st charge) - 28% + increased damage;
4. 112, dd1, f213, ex-bf1, 11, f213, fbf4, d2 - 43%;
5. 112, dd1, f213, ex-bf1, f213, fbf4, f213, bf2 - 43%.

 

[HateMe!]

113, b+3,4, b+1,2~BK, uppercut - 32% meterless midscreen, you can change uppercut to 2,2 or 2,b+2 at the end for hard knd and orb/buff setups.

Also pulling off b+1,2~SS, RC, 113 in actual fight is hella hard.

 

[Kickbykick]

Another tech video:

Thanks to @digit el brujo for showing me about cancelling healing stance and still be safe.

 

[Percimon]

Safe setups for damage buff (dark stance -> db3 (1st charge))

 

[Kickbykick]

Would be better if it heals faster. I won't give up my damage and corner for this weak healing.

Dualist Liu Kang Healing combo {TROLL} :

 

[FOREVER EL1TE]

I just found some real dirty tech. Hint ?

Safe bicycle kick?

Will Forever Elite release this tech?

Find out on the next episode of TYM

 

[Enexemander]

I just found some real dirty tech. Hint ?

Safe bicycle kick?

Will Forever Elite release this tech?

Find out on the next episode of TYM

 

[FOREVER EL1TE]

To all dualist players. Please leave or drop your names so I can start a group pm discussing buffs we need!

 

[GreatKungLao]

To all dualist players. Please leave or drop your names so I can start a group pm discussing buffs we need!

I play all variations, but Dualist is definitely my favorite. Unfortunately I have to play as Dragon's Fire and Flame Fist, because current Dualist has no chances at the tournaments. He needs buffs ASAP.

Dualist is probably one of the most unique variations for the character among the entire roster. While you see how others save lots of their stuff, in Dualist Liu Kang's main magic of fire is replaces entirely with Light Force and Dark Force, he becomes something like Revan from Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic, who was on both sides of the Force and realized that he can use both for his advantage in the name of good (he choose to be a Jedi in the end instead of Sith). The DD1 in Dualist looks stylish and interesting way of keeping pressure if you make it faster (like EX Shaolin Flame or even better), his red orbs could have been a deadly weapon if EX version did same block stun as EX light ball and Yin buff did not disappeared on hit while in lvl1 and lvl2, plus he NEEDS EX Yin buff that gives him instant lvl3. And healing, oh dear healing, it needs to become useful.