General/Other - D'Vorah Proposed D'Vorah Buffs

[HoneyBee]

That is basically her only flaw. She has broken footsies, a ridiculous run, huge damage, a footsie string that gives her a 50-50 and SAFE mixups. There is no chance she is outside of top 5.

Also, I think Shinnok is top 10 and that he is likely top 5.

This is coming from the guy that said Shinnoks biggest weakness is 'his footsies'. D'Vorah has a clear weakness and you fail to see how much the lack of a good armor move affects the game. I also think you're over exaggerating her pros. But what do I know, I'm just a filthy casual.

My top 5 are:

Predator
Kung Lao
Shinnok
Tanya
Cassie Cage

I don't feel that any of these characters are worse than D'Vorah overall and from talking to others, most people don't have D'Vorah in their top 5 list either.

 

[OG Mannimal]

*pukes*

 

[C88 Zombieekiler]

This is coming from the guy that said Shinnoks biggest weakness is 'his footsies'. D'Vorah has a clear weakness and you fail to see how much the lack of a good armor move affects the game. I also think you're over exaggerating her pros. But what do I know, I'm just a filthy casual.

My top 5 are:

Predator
Kung Lao
Shinnok
Tanya
Cassie Cage

I don't feel that any of these characters are worse than D'Vorah overall and from talking to others, most people don't have D'Vorah in their top 5 list either.

She is still s tier though

 

[HoneyBee]

She is still s tier though

Dude I played you a few days ago and you said you didn't know shit about D'Vorah. You still don't.

 

[C88 Zombieekiler]

Dude I played you a few days ago and you said you didn't know shit about D'Vorah. You still don't.

lol top 8 at every tournament but yeah G tier

 

[tigerija]

Devorah as character is pretty crap when you get her into corner and apply pressure. She really is.

Now, SQ might be stronger than others only because she makes enemy stay in the air with swarm. They could reduce duration there for example.
But I would rather make other variations stronger.

So, other variations have Krawler and Poison Spray.

It seems like Krawler is hard to use since game is too fast paced for that move. That move is too risky atm. You would mainly use it on close range.
So maybe faster cast rate. Really fast.
All tho, this variation has a nice projectile.

Poison Spray seems fine. Except its possible that its too punishable. Sometimes it might be tricky for enemy to punish it because you can cancel it anytime. But maybe they could make that move just a bit safer so punish window is shorter.
All tho, this variation has nice damage with poison stacking.

I think minor changes like that could balance it. I would not like them to "fix" all balance problems with damage tweaking. Its better if they change moves a bit or frames instead of damage, what I noticed many would suggest as first.

Its not all about the damage. Some characters can deal less damage but are still very hard to fight against because are tricky, hard to punish, etc.

 

[C88 Zombieekiler]

A+ tier thats the lowest i would put dvorah

 

[IMakeItL00kC00L]

Buff displacer, MOS is fine

 

[M2Dave]

You're high if you sincerely think a character without a reliable armor move is top 3.

As a Quan Chi player, I would gladly welcome the EX ovipositor to my move list. Some armor is better than no armor.

 

[HeroesNZ]

Variations don't all have to be completely viable, but they should all at least have a use or else what's the point? If D'Vorah's other variations are anything like Gunslinger/Inferno then by all means propose buffs.

NRS should definitely prioritise making at least one variation good for each character before they go about buffing the other variations of top tiers though. I'm sure everyone would rather more variety in top 8s than D'Vorah having 3 useful variations.

 

[cR WoundCowboy]

This is coming from the guy that said Shinnoks biggest weakness is 'his footsies'. D'Vorah has a clear weakness and you fail to see how much the lack of a good armor move affects the game. I also think you're over exaggerating her pros. But what do I know, I'm just a filthy casual.

My top 5 are:

Predator
Kung Lao
Shinnok
Tanya
Cassie Cage

I don't feel that any of these characters are worse than D'Vorah overall and from talking to others, most people don't have D'Vorah in their top 5 list either.

I don't see how lao and Tanya are better than dvorah. They are good, but the fact is that they mostly rely on throws, chip, and whiff punishing to win. Meanwhile dvorah can not only whiff punish and throw but she can also get in and go for her safe, high damaging mixups. I could maybe buy that they are close to dvorah but i don't see how they are clearly better.

 

[TopTierHarley]

Devorah as character is pretty crap when you get her into corner and apply pressure. She really is.

Now, SQ might be stronger than others only because she makes enemy stay in the air with swarm. They could reduce duration there for example.
But I would rather make other variations stronger.

So, other variations have Krawler and Poison Spray.

It seems like Krawler is hard to use since game is too fast paced for that move. That move is too risky atm. You would mainly use it on close range.
So maybe faster cast rate. Really fast.
All tho, this variation has a nice projectile.

Poison Spray seems fine. Except its possible that its too punishable. Sometimes it might be tricky for enemy to punish it because you can cancel it anytime. But maybe they could make that move just a bit safer so punish window is shorter.
All tho, this variation has nice damage with poison stacking.

I think minor changes like that could balance it. I would not like them to "fix" all balance problems with damage tweaking. Its better if they change moves a bit or frames instead of damage, what I noticed many would suggest as first.

Its not all about the damage. Some characters can deal less damage but are still very hard to fight against because are tricky, hard to punish, etc.

The swarm has nothing to do with her being a strong character

 

[Samsara]

I agree with all of this, that being said, I'm afraid my buff might actually push her over the edge:

Give her a new skin

If you gave her a new skin I think she'd 7-3 the whole cast hands down. She needs it though.

 

[TopTierHarley]

I agree with all of this, that being said, I'm afraid my buff might actually push her over the edge:

Give her a new skin

If you gave her a new skin I think she'd 7-3 the whole cast hands down. She needs it though.

You're crazy, that's too OP

 

[HoneyBee]

As a Quan Chi player, I would gladly welcome the EX ovipositor to my move list. Some armor is better than no armor.

Quan Chi definitely has the worst armor move, no arguments here. But at least he has one variation that has a useful one. Even if Quan Chi had a 20f armor move like D'Vorah, it wouldn't make a difference when you get knocked down by Kung Lao, Tanya, Jax, Raiden, etc etc.

 

[DrManhattan]

lol getting tired of just playing swarm?

 

[Nuovo_Cabjoy]

Quan Chi definitely has the worst armor move, no arguments here. But at least he has one variation that has a useful one. Even if Quan Chi had a 20f armor move like D'Vorah, it wouldn't make a difference when you get knocked down by Kung Lao, Tanya, Jax, Raiden, etc etc.

Can confirm, Quan and D'vorah are my two mains. They've got different strengths but both get wrecked by pressure. D: Hahaha

 

[TotteryManx]

lol top 8 at every tournament but yeah G tier

I don't know about you, but I'm not seeing too many Debra's in top 8 outside of HB. The skill of the player is just as important, if not more so, than the tools the character has. http://testyourmight.com/threads/honeybee-in-neutral.55171/#post-1855484

On topic: One of the biggest selling points from NRS was the variation system, but I've yet to see it shine. There are a ton of variations that are overshadowed. I say buff the hell out of them.

 

[Samsara]

Also, I'm not the only one who wishes D'Vorah could actually hover around right? Seems like better implementation of a flight mechanic than Spectral Ermac (buff that variation to the moon).

Sorry if I'm not contributing cold hard tech or relevant buffs in the thread, I just want this character to be as badass as possible. Although I do think Silky should have either had faster cooldown or or some kind of ability to halt it mid-stride and potentially detonate it. I tend to favor trap playstyles and I feel that would be a great implementation. As it stands now I understand its mainly used to give D'Vorah a relatively easier lockdown game and better options to approach.

 

[THTB]

I don't know about you, but I'm not seeing too many Debra's in top 8 outside of HB. The skill of the player is just as important, if not more so, than the tools the character has. http://testyourmight.com/threads/honeybee-in-neutral.55171/#post-1855484

On topic: One of the biggest selling points from NRS was the variation system, but I've yet to see it shine. There are a ton of variations that are overshadowed. I say buff the hell out of them.

This. This exactly.

 

[jaythatruth]

Hashtag Buff the Bae

 

[RunwayMafia]

Lol damn...

HoneyBee gone ROGUE!!

 

[Zoidberg747]

Tanya is better than Dvorah. Just wanted to make that clear. Although I would put DDvorah just outside top 5.

 

[STRYKIE]

I'm not too well informed on Brood Mother but I think the Venomous changes are reasonable. How would they allow for the Venemous EX Ovi to start a combo though? Maybe make it special cancellable into the puddle on one of the hits?

Either way, there's only 6 characters who don't have an armored starter in the neutral in any variation, and IMO, NRS should just go the whole way by now.

 

[HoneyBee]

I'm not too well informed on Brood Mother but I think the Venomous changes are reasonable. How would they allow for the Venemous EX Ovi to start a combo though? Maybe make it special cancellable into the puddle on one of the hits?

Either way, there's only 6 characters who don't have an armored starter in the neutral in any variation, and IMO, NRS should just go the whole way by now.

I would imagine they could slightly change the animation so the last hit of the ovipositor slams them down and causes them to bounce slightly off the ground.