General/Other - D'Vorah Proposed D'Vorah Buffs

[HoneyBee]

Why did a mod change the title prefix to "General/Other Brood Mother"? This is for two variations. I changed it back.

 

[Insuperable]

her d2 should be modified to extend to a 12% less peak hitbox

 

[I GOT HANDS]

I'm ok with overall balance for all variations.

What I don't want to see, is NRS placing emphasis on some of these variations like Hat Trick, when other characters are simply just ass throughout all variations.

Priority should be a thing. Hopefully it is.

What if they made Hat Trick and Buzz Saw more viable by nerfing Tempest? And making Brood Mother and Venemous more viable by nerfing Swarm Queen to their level?

Because let's be honest, at the end of the day variations like Venemous and Buzz Saw are still fucktons better than the low tier characters, and on par and arguably better than many of the mid tier ones.

We do NOT need to buff Kung Lao and DVorahs variations up to where both these characters best variations sit. These characters are better than 90% of the cast and should be toned down, the other way around just throws out the balance even further.

However, while I do not let bias cloud my view here, I don't think the OP of this thread was doing the same. Balance means buffing the weakest and nerfing the strongest, somehow I don't think it's balance he's chasing, just more buffs for an already very good character (and that's me talking about the side variations), simply because it's beneficial for him to do so.

 

[Prinz]

I was gonna come in here all mad and be like "why not a buff Cassie thread while your at it?" But then I saw it was for lesser variations. You may proceed with your discussion.

You're late to the party. There's actually been a thread to buff Cassie.
I disagree on ovipositor buffs. It's like asking for the same thing, only for Quan's teleport.

 

[VAAAAAAAAN]

P.S. Venom needs to kill.

 

[haketh]

ITT people act like mentioning changes you'd like to see for two weaker variations means other weak characters won't get some TLC

 

[WidowPuppy]

ITT people act like mentioning changes you'd like to see for two weaker variations means other weak characters won't get some TLC

All depends who's mentioning changes they'd like to see, for the other characters in need of that TLC.

I hope what I just said is not actually true, will love to be wrong. So far... That's how it's went.

 

[STB Sgt Reed]

D'vorah buffs?

 

[haketh]

All depends who's mentioning changes they'd like to see, for the other characters in need of that TLC.

I hope what I just said is not actually true, will love to be wrong. So far... That's how it's went.

Just the constant fucking "YOU'RE PUSHING AN AGENDA" & conspiracy theories that goes down on this site is fucking draining

 

[STB Sgt Reed]

What if they made Hat Trick and Buzz Saw more viable by nerfing Tempest? And making Brood Mother and Venemous more viable by nerfing Swarm Queen to their level?

Because let's be honest, at the end of the day variations like Venemous and Buzz Saw are still fucktons better than the low tier characters, and on par and arguably better than many of the mid tier ones.

We do NOT need to buff Kung Lao and DVorahs variations up to where both these characters best variations sit. These characters are better than 90% of the cast and should be toned down, the other way around just throws out the balance even further.

However, while I do not let bias cloud my view here, I don't think the OP of this thread was doing the same. Balance means buffing the weakest and nerfing the strongest, somehow I don't think it's balance he's chasing, just more buffs for an already very good character (and that's me talking about the side variations), simply because it's beneficial for him to do so.

Completely agree.

Top tier should be toned down to bring the game more in balance rather than buffing already strong characters even further.

Or at the very least... buff the lower tier.

 

[WidowPuppy]

Just the constant fucking "YOU'RE PUSHING AN AGENDA" & conspiracy theories that goes down on this site is fucking draining

Never implied anyone is pushing an agenda, but I hear what you're saying Haketh. All I see here in this thread is someone more familiar with their character than anyone else, and suggesting some reasonable buffs for her weaker variations. I'm all good with that. Don't expect Bee to be making Goro suggestions.

 

[haketh]

Never implied anyone is pushing an agenda, but I hear what you're saying Haketh. All I see here in this thread is someone more familiar with there character than anyone else, and suggesting some reasonable buffs for her weaker variations. I'm all good with that. Don't expect Bee to be making Goro suggestions.

I mean why should he have to at all? Him making this thread isn't stopping people from making that thread or whatever?

 

[WidowPuppy]

I mean why should he have to at all? Him making this thread isn't stopping people from making that thread or whatever?

You're correct.

 

[VAAAAAAAAN]

D'VORAHS GDLK WAKEUP

 

[Alvhe Feleo]

My question is, who the hell voted "Only the strongest variation should be viable"? I mean, there's always going to be one variation that shines over the others for specific MUs or playstyles, but come on, what's the point of having variations if only 1 of them works? It's just absurd.

The rest looks fine to me, I would also add slightly more chip damage to venomious' ovopositor charge hits but that might be going too far.

EDIT: Dafuq, I just saw the Godlike wakeup video... even Goro? Really?

 

[TopTierHarley]

The fact that I see people in here saying nerf her to her other variations shows me you people don't know a damn thing about the character.

 

[juicepouch]

My question is, who the hell voted "Only the strongest variation should be viable"? I mean, there's always going to be one variation that shines over the others for specific MUs or playstyles, but come on, what's the point of having variations if only 1 of them works? It's just absurd.

The rest looks fine to me, I would also add slightly more chip damage to venomious' ovopositor charge hits but that might be going too far.

EDIT: Dafuq, I just saw the Godlike wakeup video... even Goro? Really?

Goro's great at stuffing wakeups that don't have a low hitbox with 3 d3

 

[Zoidberg747]

IMO all venomous needs is for venom to kill and mashing reversals gone. The other buffs are nice but not necessary.

Also lol at people wanting Dvorah nerfed again. I was Dvorahs biggest
upplayer but even I know she is fine now.

 

[Sage Leviathan]

@Zoidberg747

LBSH, Krawler needs a lot less cooldown.

 

[Zoidberg747]

@Zoidberg747

LBSH, Krawler needs a lot less cooldown.

I was only talking venomous. I dont play BM enough to suggest changes but I would agree with that.

 

[The Magician]

Atleast let venomous have her overhead jail after bug spray in midscreen

 

[I GOT HANDS]

My question is, who the hell voted "Only the strongest variation should be viable"? I mean, there's always going to be one variation that shines over the others for specific MUs or playstyles, but come on, what's the point of having variations if only 1 of them works? It's just absurd.

The rest looks fine to me, I would also add slightly more chip damage to venomious' ovopositor charge hits but that might be going too far.

EDIT: Dafuq, I just saw the Godlike wakeup video... even Goro? Really?

The issue is, the poll doesn't necessarily reflect the opinions being expressed here, it's just a way of disguising what he's actually asking. I'm pretty sure everyone thinks that all variations should be viable, however that does NOT mean I agree with the proposed changes. The best way to make all 3 variations equally viable is by toning down Swarm Queen, rather than turning up the other two to her level.

 

[GLoRToR]

As much as I respect Bee and his skill, I have to say that even if these are all solid ideas, we still have characters who need more attention. Vora is incredible.

 

[WidowPuppy]

As much as I respect Bee and his skill, I have to say that even if these are all solid ideas, we still have characters who need more attention. Vora is incredible.

Pretty much this. I'm not against improving her [and all characters] weaker variations. But, would wait till characters who don't even have one variation on the level of SQD to be adjusted.

 

[HoneyBee]

Lol. I stated before that other characters need attention too. If I were given the choice between buffing characters like Goro, Jacqui, Takeda, etc etc or buffing D'Vorah's other variations, I would 100% say that the lower tier characters need to be looked at first. These are just my ideas of what a FULL patch that addresses EVERYTHING should include.

Holy shit. People need to chill.