Question - Sub-Zero Which Sub-Zero is Better

[XxTheGoblinX]

his shit is buggy if it gets fixed mkx free but until then i stick with mk9 and he was not overpowered to the point where clone had to go away on block that was bullshit

So your butthurt because the klone goes away on block? Level up man that doesnt change much

 

[RM Truth]

[QUOTE="C88 Zombieekiler, post: 1817959, member: 31626]*edit* and yet again kjs d1 and raidens are quicker than 14 so shatter is prob the best option once again[/QUOTE]

It doesn't matter how slow your normal is, if you meaty it you'll beat the fastest of pokes on their wake-up.

 

[C88 Zombieekiler]

Going by that logic Jax is also shit huh?

jupiter, undeadjim, that one french guy, tyrant, indecisive, that gga guy, cd jr, im tired rn its like 2am so im blanking

 

[juicepouch]

Which one places higher in the tiers for its respective game? Meh, probably MKX Sub, although he's low mid, still a lot better than MK9 Sub.

Which is a BETTER character however, in terms of playstyle and design? MK9 easily. He's a real character, all his abilities worked, and he wasn't what MKXSZ is, a character who relies on his above average normals and a workable 50/50 just to barely compete with his tiny ass damage output, and then a crappy Ice Clone tacked on top of it. MK9 Sub was built around using that Clone and it was a working tool. Predator's Trap is worse than SZ's MK9 Clone and it's still leagues better than MKX's, prompting a mass exodus to this character even from Tom Brady the most diehard SZ player ever.

Sorry, but I could justify playing SZ in MK9, it's not about being top tier, he played like Sub Zero. MKX version plays more like Blanka from Street Fighter at best

not to detract from your point but if i recall brady dropped sub like 3 times in mk9 lol

 

[C88 Zombieekiler]

So your butthurt because the klone goes away on block? Level up man that doesnt change much

thats not the bug you absolute mongrel

 

[XxTheGoblinX]

thats not the bug you absolute mongrel

What is? Enlighten me . What is this bug that makes Sub Zero so bad?

 

[I GOT HANDS]

not to detract from your point but if i recall brady dropped sub like 3 times in mk9 lol

Ah ok, MKX was my secondary game back then and Sub was my secondary character so I didn't follow that scene as heavily, thanks for the knowledge. Who did he pick up ooc?


Anyway, my main issue with Sub is nothing to do I with power level. I'm very happy with a mid tier character hell I prefer them it makes winning much sweeter. Just from a playstyle/gameplan perspective I feel like MKX Sub is much more vanilla because the Clone is so crappier and the normals are so much better.

So your butthurt because the klone goes away on block? Level up man that doesnt change much

I'm not participating in this argument as I didn't own a copy of MKX until about a week before the patch. But I will say that at the very least this is not true, Clone disappearing on block makes a LOT of options safe that weren't before.

 

[Wigy]

This is another subzero downplay/complaint thread in disguise.

The sub community man...

 

[juicepouch]

An ok, MKX was my secondary game back then and Sub was my secondary character so I didn't follow that scene as heavily, thanks for the knowledge. Who did he pick up ooc?


Anyway, my main issue with Sub is nothing to do I with power level. I'm very happy with a mid tier character hell I prefer them it makes winning much sweeter. Just from a playstyle/gameplan perspective I feel like MKX Sub is much more vanilla because the Clone is so crappier and the normals are so much better.







I'm not participating in this argument as I didn't own a copy of MKX until about a week before the patch. But I will say that at the very least this is not true, Clone disappearing on block makes a LOT of options safe that weren't before.

I believe he alternated with Kung Lao and Raiden sporadically, but he did always return to sub in the end

 

[C88 Zombieekiler]

What is? Enlighten me . What is this bug that makes Sub Zero so bad?

clone not coming out or being inconsistent ex or not

 

[XxTheGoblinX]

An ok, MKX was my secondary game back then and Sub was my secondary character so I didn't follow that scene as heavily, thanks for the knowledge. Who did he pick up ooc?


Anyway, my main issue with Sub is nothing to do I with power level. I'm very happy with a mid tier character hell I prefer them it makes winning much sweeter. Just from a playstyle/gameplan perspective I feel like MKX Sub is much more vanilla because the Clone is so crappier and the normals are so much better.







I'm not participating in this argument as I didn't own a copy of MKX until about a week before the patch. But I will say that at the very least this is not true, Clone disappearing on block makes a LOT of options safe that weren't before.

But that doesnt make mk9 Sub zero better. And it really doesnt completely change the concept. The only way he can get hit is from a teleport or jump in wich is still an advantage for Sub zero.

 

[XxTheGoblinX]

clone not coming out or being inconsistent ex or not

You sound like Tom Brady . Just play the game im done arguing.

 

[Ryncage]

What is? Enlighten me . What is this bug that makes Sub Zero so bad?

You must have missed the 50 threads a day about the functionality of ex-clone.
that thing that if working correctly would curve half of the matchups sub is outright stomped in.

You sound like Tom Brady . Just play the game im done arguing.

So he sounds like a guy who did his research and presented a legitimate issue? Next time instead if being a smartass for the sake of being a smartass, then to just dismiss the answer, just dont bother posting.

 

[RunwayMafia]

Revenant Madzin.

That is all.

 

[XxTheGoblinX]

You must have missed the 50 threads a day about the functionality of ex-clone.
that thing that if working correctly would curve half of the matchups sub is outright stomped in.

Those threads meant nothing to me. After the patch they fixed the Raiden problem. Thats all I needed. Its funny because I never use ex clone. Dont need it

 

[Ryncage]

Those threads meant nothing to me. After the patch they fixed the Raiden problem. Thats all I needed. Its funny because I never use ex clone. Dont need it

Oh, so game balance should be based around the casual level according to you.
Gotcha.

 

[I GOT HANDS]

But that doesnt make mk9 Sub zero better. And it really doesnt completely change the concept.

Sure. I've said MKX SZ sits higher on the tier list, I just think MK9 Sub plays better conceptually.

The only way he can get hit is from a teleport or jump in wich is still an advantage for Sub zero.

I'm not sure what this means. He can get hit from anything just like any other character right? Or do you mean when he's behind the Clone? Because that's the whole difference, blocked normals from behind the Clone used to be punished by it, now they make the Clone disappear.

 

[XxTheGoblinX]

Oh, so game balance should be based around the casual level according to you.
Gotcha.

Nope. Im not complaining. You are, you dont even know what the main arugement is so hop off

 

[XxTheGoblinX]

Sure. I've said MKX SZ sits higher on the tier list, I just think MK9 Sub plays better conceptually.



I'm not what this means. He can get hit from anything just like any other character right? Or do you mean when he's behind the Clone? Because that's the whole difference, blocked normals from behind the Clone used to be punished by it, now they make the Clone disappear.

Yea when hes behind the clone. but how many times out of 10 is a normal gonna go through a clone?

 

[I GOT HANDS]

Yea when hes behind the clone. but how many times out of 10 is a normal gonna go through a clone?

That really depends on your opponent. Assuming they are using the right normals, then 10/10.

 

[XxTheGoblinX]

That really depends on your opponent. Assuming they are using the right normals, then 10/10.

Your right but who pokes against the clone every time? Never. And what kind of sub zero payer hugs his clone so close he can get poked???

 

[Sage-Of-Light]

So your butthurt because the klone goes away on block? Level up man that doesnt change much

This is another subzero downplay/complaint thread in disguise.

The sub community man...

lol your funny ahaha and so right because its true im reading every comment and happy with most valid points some of these sub players have made

 

[LinKueiLegend]

I honestly love both versions of Sub haha. But if I had to pick I'd have to make a third option and say Deception Sub

 

[Sage-Of-Light]

clone not coming out or being inconsistent ex or not

if that doesnt enlighten him abit we he would have to buy a new light bulb

 

[I GOT HANDS]

Your right but who pokes against the clone every time? Never. And what kind of sub zero payer hugs his clone so close he can get poked???

The kind who is actually trying to make use of his corner pressure (you know, the "strength" of this character and variation) and keep his opponent in there.

Your basic argument is "well, Sub-Zero can play around it" and that's fine, I'm not saying you can't. I'm just responding to you saying that it didn't change much at all, which couldn't be further from the truth.