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So honest answers and please if youre coming in here just to talk shit about either or Scorpion or Takeda WITHOUT a legit reason BACKING up your claims just prepared to get ignored. Im pretty sure every one can do without random shit remarks seeing how theres enough of that on this forum else where..
now with that out of the way
As a Shairai Ryu Takeda main , the more i face the scorpion match up or take him for a spin , the more i say to myself why not just play scorpion. He basically has everything that makes me like Shirai Ryu Takeda more than the other versions of Takeda (so far) and yet most of these similar moves have an adge over takedas.
Also to add.. this is just a thread for conversation and POVs. Not asking for nerfs / buffs/ no recruiting for #teamhanzo or #teamwhips , just opinionated debates..and im def not dropping Takeda as my main
As a side by side comparison -
Spear - Scorpion i think is in favor for me, for his spear it seems to track and set up for combo without having to MB which can lead to big damage in to knock down into vortex ( which we get into later ) which in this games moves you to the topof the food chain. Takeda does have the air spear which is great BUT - feel its trajectory is mediocre at best . spears vs one is debatable though, but personally i think Scorps options with his spear ar a bit better suited for this MKX 70/30 in favor or Scorpion
Teleport - Takedas seems better on Blk recovery - BUT still @ -17 your gonna get punished anyway -Scorpions has way better advantage when it comes to continuing combos and convterting off AA. plus the fact you can use both in any order in a combo and covert off them with a bit more ease make them seem way more deadlier than Takedas.. But i REALLY like the Cross up with Takedas EX so im only gonna give this a 55/45 in favor of Scorpion.
Takedown vs Tornado kick - - guh.. this is a tuffy-- tornado kicks has got me outta some jams but takedown on paper and from what i ave seen is too clutch.. ill come back to this... 50/50 tie
Fireball/minion/hellfire/etc vs teleflurry - Scorpion hands down, the versatility of these moves in comparison is just no contests. even if you bring in other variations as lasher and blade drop. the things you can do with these W/O meter just seem way more beneficial. 75/25% scorpion favor brought to my attention that some variations of scorp have ex wake up probs - took this into consideration 55/45 scorpion now
Cancels - i think in this game scorpion has the better cancels options as the can be comboed off of and the pressure is wayyy quicker. 60/40% scorpion favor reminded that kunai cancels are $FREE.99 changed to 55/45 scorpion
Overheads - TAKEDA all day. B21 is my shit!! ( yayyy) 75/25 Takeda favor -
Normals and Air normals- scorpion edges out takeda i believe on these if i was to take all four into consideration. - eso with takedas ji2- i feel that doesnt hit anything. 65/35 Scorpion
Njp - imma rule this one in favor of Takeda- even though i do think its a bit over rated by people who dont use takeda - ( seems a bit wonky at times) i cant deny that its very good. Not Quan chi, Kung Jin, or Raiden status but still very good. 75/25 Takeda favor
screen control - With time (match time) this can def be in Takedas favor - when takeda can find the time in match to get his adequate spacing - 3/4s of the screen can be his to keep - AS LONG AS HES MAKING THE RIGHT CHOICES. so i will rate this 70/30 in takedas favor.... BUT see below
Match pace control - im giving this to scorpion all day- Scorpion seem to always set the pace of the matches - Even when im VS someone 's day one scorpion FB cancels strings, its like i have to hunt for opportunities to slow the game pace back downa bit and bring him more to Takedas speed level of playing..and i do mean hunt. Whether the player is high level or not. Also since i feel scorpion can convert and capitalize or more mistakes the player makes i feel that it doesnt hurt him as much if he throws out a wrong limb as compare to takeda ( shit trying for b21 only to get b1 is like a straight death wish) 75/25 Scorpion
Armor - I still dont understand how and when Takedas armor works. lol.. i wanna one day really see if i can get a hold of someone at NRS to go over the logistics of it but yet i also dont wanna be "that guy" thats pestering about his character when its obvious and get an answer like " thats just the way it is"
i mean someone times is works and sometimes i just get poke straight out of it . sometimes its my one hit of armor is like a guessing game as to when it will activate. So until i have a better grasp on Takedas armor i will say officially N/A but unofficially, 75/25 Scorpion favor - brought to my attention more scorpion armor probs 50/50 tie
Damage- meterless damage can be a struggle for takeda. esp trying to break high 25%. Which really sucks we you are vs say a Jason who can catch you with one easy string ( we know which one) and put you back in negative health really fast . with meter Takedas damage output is sort of close to Scorpions but def not for the same effort. i say damage is a good 65/35 Scorpion favor. -brought to my attentoin to look back into damage also didnt take into consideration Takedas Unbreakable damage. 52/48 scorpion imo now
now these are all personal opinions- and i am NOT gonna stop having takeda as my Main anytime soon at all. but when i really look at why i like to use the Shirai Ryu version over his other versions, i realize the reasons why i like this one are the very same tools that scorpion has in mostly all varitions and at lest more than half of them have a edge on Takedas..
Few reasons why i know i wont want to switch are
I like takedas design - wish his second skin was more ninja like but i really like his design & out of the new comers - hes tied with Kotal as my favs.
i will say most his bnb combos do look more entertaining than scorpions.
i like underdogs.
he has footsies ( even thought this game really doesnt cater to footsies and he can be a bit too slow for a ninja at times)
i feel scorpion moveset gets abused and can disregard footsies
everybody and their mother uses scorpion. ( sorry scorpion players but its true)
but with takeda i do feel that in time ( hopefully) we will have a major break through with him where as all the time spent hunting and grinding with him will pay off
i really do like his different take on the Shirai Ryu style but when i really sit and look at why i like his style and why it fits me i keep coming back to - well scorp has that , ... well his has that too.. etc..
( the fact hes trying to smash jacqui just seems like a plus also, lol)
i play scorpion for fun and to test out new things popping up for him every now and then but i never play serious matches with him. Always Takeda . and beside the personal reasons why - i really dont see why i dont play as him more .. Maybe we should look at Scorpion being a different variation of Takedas SR. lmao..maybe not.. i dunno.. whens tremor again?
But really what are you guys (or girls- gender equality ) thoughts on the comparisons?
what are your reasons for maining or not maining scorpion in contrast to SR takeda?
What would you rate the selections like above?
id like to hear everyones input- takeda users and scorpion users
now with that out of the way
As a Shairai Ryu Takeda main , the more i face the scorpion match up or take him for a spin , the more i say to myself why not just play scorpion. He basically has everything that makes me like Shirai Ryu Takeda more than the other versions of Takeda (so far) and yet most of these similar moves have an adge over takedas.
Also to add.. this is just a thread for conversation and POVs. Not asking for nerfs / buffs/ no recruiting for #teamhanzo or #teamwhips , just opinionated debates..and im def not dropping Takeda as my main
As a side by side comparison -
Spear - Scorpion i think is in favor for me, for his spear it seems to track and set up for combo without having to MB which can lead to big damage in to knock down into vortex ( which we get into later ) which in this games moves you to the topof the food chain. Takeda does have the air spear which is great BUT - feel its trajectory is mediocre at best . spears vs one is debatable though, but personally i think Scorps options with his spear ar a bit better suited for this MKX 70/30 in favor or Scorpion
Teleport - Takedas seems better on Blk recovery - BUT still @ -17 your gonna get punished anyway -Scorpions has way better advantage when it comes to continuing combos and convterting off AA. plus the fact you can use both in any order in a combo and covert off them with a bit more ease make them seem way more deadlier than Takedas.. But i REALLY like the Cross up with Takedas EX so im only gonna give this a 55/45 in favor of Scorpion.
Takedown vs Tornado kick - - guh.. this is a tuffy-- tornado kicks has got me outta some jams but takedown on paper and from what i ave seen is too clutch.. ill come back to this... 50/50 tie
Fireball/minion/hellfire/etc vs teleflurry - Scorpion hands down, the versatility of these moves in comparison is just no contests. even if you bring in other variations as lasher and blade drop. the things you can do with these W/O meter just seem way more beneficial. 75/25% scorpion favor brought to my attention that some variations of scorp have ex wake up probs - took this into consideration 55/45 scorpion now
Cancels - i think in this game scorpion has the better cancels options as the can be comboed off of and the pressure is wayyy quicker. 60/40% scorpion favor reminded that kunai cancels are $FREE.99 changed to 55/45 scorpion
Overheads - TAKEDA all day. B21 is my shit!! ( yayyy) 75/25 Takeda favor -
Normals and Air normals- scorpion edges out takeda i believe on these if i was to take all four into consideration. - eso with takedas ji2- i feel that doesnt hit anything. 65/35 Scorpion
Njp - imma rule this one in favor of Takeda- even though i do think its a bit over rated by people who dont use takeda - ( seems a bit wonky at times) i cant deny that its very good. Not Quan chi, Kung Jin, or Raiden status but still very good. 75/25 Takeda favor
screen control - With time (match time) this can def be in Takedas favor - when takeda can find the time in match to get his adequate spacing - 3/4s of the screen can be his to keep - AS LONG AS HES MAKING THE RIGHT CHOICES. so i will rate this 70/30 in takedas favor.... BUT see below
Match pace control - im giving this to scorpion all day- Scorpion seem to always set the pace of the matches - Even when im VS someone 's day one scorpion FB cancels strings, its like i have to hunt for opportunities to slow the game pace back downa bit and bring him more to Takedas speed level of playing..and i do mean hunt. Whether the player is high level or not. Also since i feel scorpion can convert and capitalize or more mistakes the player makes i feel that it doesnt hurt him as much if he throws out a wrong limb as compare to takeda ( shit trying for b21 only to get b1 is like a straight death wish) 75/25 Scorpion
Armor - I still dont understand how and when Takedas armor works. lol.. i wanna one day really see if i can get a hold of someone at NRS to go over the logistics of it but yet i also dont wanna be "that guy" thats pestering about his character when its obvious and get an answer like " thats just the way it is"
i mean someone times is works and sometimes i just get poke straight out of it . sometimes its my one hit of armor is like a guessing game as to when it will activate. So until i have a better grasp on Takedas armor i will say officially N/A but unofficially, 75/25 Scorpion favor - brought to my attention more scorpion armor probs 50/50 tie
Damage- meterless damage can be a struggle for takeda. esp trying to break high 25%. Which really sucks we you are vs say a Jason who can catch you with one easy string ( we know which one) and put you back in negative health really fast . with meter Takedas damage output is sort of close to Scorpions but def not for the same effort. i say damage is a good 65/35 Scorpion favor. -brought to my attentoin to look back into damage also didnt take into consideration Takedas Unbreakable damage. 52/48 scorpion imo now
now these are all personal opinions- and i am NOT gonna stop having takeda as my Main anytime soon at all. but when i really look at why i like to use the Shirai Ryu version over his other versions, i realize the reasons why i like this one are the very same tools that scorpion has in mostly all varitions and at lest more than half of them have a edge on Takedas..
Few reasons why i know i wont want to switch are
I like takedas design - wish his second skin was more ninja like but i really like his design & out of the new comers - hes tied with Kotal as my favs.
i will say most his bnb combos do look more entertaining than scorpions.
i like underdogs.
he has footsies ( even thought this game really doesnt cater to footsies and he can be a bit too slow for a ninja at times)
i feel scorpion moveset gets abused and can disregard footsies
everybody and their mother uses scorpion. ( sorry scorpion players but its true)
but with takeda i do feel that in time ( hopefully) we will have a major break through with him where as all the time spent hunting and grinding with him will pay off
i really do like his different take on the Shirai Ryu style but when i really sit and look at why i like his style and why it fits me i keep coming back to - well scorp has that , ... well his has that too.. etc..
( the fact hes trying to smash jacqui just seems like a plus also, lol)
i play scorpion for fun and to test out new things popping up for him every now and then but i never play serious matches with him. Always Takeda . and beside the personal reasons why - i really dont see why i dont play as him more .. Maybe we should look at Scorpion being a different variation of Takedas SR. lmao..maybe not.. i dunno.. whens tremor again?
But really what are you guys (or girls- gender equality ) thoughts on the comparisons?
what are your reasons for maining or not maining scorpion in contrast to SR takeda?
What would you rate the selections like above?
id like to hear everyones input- takeda users and scorpion users
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