Fear of the Patching Style (AKA Why it Might Not Make Sense to Upplay)

[BloodyNights]

I agree with most of what you said except for the zoning. In no universe can patch 1.05 MKX Reptile zone. His projectiles are GARBAGE.

He is indeed viable and has options to win but so does everyone in the game. He just needs a slight push to be better.

Well he may not be amazing at zoning, but he does have 3 different dedicated projectiles, and at the very least can check characters who retreat away, acid spit moves across the screen pretty fast, and Acid balls slowness helps him move in without much issue. Granted that is if the opponent doesn't have strong projectiles, but if that's the case you have the option to deal with them. So yes even Reptile can zone.

 

[Gesture Required Ahead]

Well he may not be amazing at zoning, but he does have 3 different dedicated projectiles, and at the very least can check characters who retreat away, acid spit moves across the screen pretty fast, and Acid balls slowness helps him move in without much issue. Granted that is if the opponent doesn't have strong projectiles, but if that's the case you have the option to deal with them. So yes even Reptile can zone.

As I stated multiple times now, NO regular Slowball DOES NOT HELP YOU MOVE IN. Only EX Slowball does. Regular Slowball as well as ALL OF HIS PROJECTILES OUTSIDE OF EX SLOWBALL have a quadrillion frames of recovery.

Acid spit only serves to trade vs other projectiles when Reptile has the life lead.

Regular and EX Fastball have 0 uses outside of swag combo.

When Reptile is getting zoned, he has to get in. And he can get in pretty effectively at the cost of a bar. But that's not where his problems lie.

 

[exflyingbooty]

isn't one of the issues with reptile that he doesn't have armor? I mean one of his glaring flaws is weak damage without meter so i mean ex attacks having armor isn't necessary a bad thing lol. You have to sacrifice safety for damage and i think that's quite fair none the less.

 

[Gesture Required Ahead]

isn't one of the issues with reptile that he doesn't have armor? I mean one of his glaring flaws is weak damage without meter so i mean ex attacks having armor isn't necessary a bad thing lol. You have to sacrifice safety for damage and i think that's quite fair none the less.

? He has 3 EX moves with armor. So?

 

[exflyingbooty]

? He has 3 EX moves with armor. So?

I swear i read that he didn't have a good get off me move somewhere, don't mind me

 

[qspec]

@Fraud Blank

Covering a few different posts here.

First, OP said nothing. It was politician speak at best. It sounded pretty and was ultimately hollow. It did try to make some points... sure, but ultimately reading between those lines was nothing more than a part of the unfounded conspiracy theory that NRS listens to the whining of TYM.

Second, Reptile's SFB can be used to get in. I've used it to get in. I've seen better players than myself (and ostensibly you) use it to get in. I've had it used against me to get in. Run is a thing in this game. From some distances not only can you get a SFB in, you can run up and 2B before it even hits. Hell, even in cases that you can't... it does cause some blockstun during which you are free to move.

Third, no one in this game has zoning. It is a legit criticism of MKX as a whole, but to hold it against Reptile is crazy since he can hold his own in zoning wars with all but a handful of characters.

@exflyingbooty

Reptile has armor. He doesn't have safe armor though which is maybe what you mean?

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

I read thread and only post I remembered or word I remembered was "salt"

 

[BloodyNights]

As I stated multiple times now, NO regular Slowball DOES NOT HELP YOU MOVE IN. Only EX Slowball does. Regular Slowball as well as ALL OF HIS PROJECTILES OUTSIDE OF EX SLOWBALL have a quadrillion frames of recovery.

Acid spit only serves to trade vs other projectiles when Reptile has the life lead.

Regular and EX Fastball have 0 uses outside of swag combo.

When Reptile is getting zoned, he has to get in. And he can get in pretty effectively at the cost of a bar. But that's not where his problems lie.

I'm pretty sure I just addressed that his projectiles are best used on a retreating opponent, and if you couldn't win the zoning war that you had the tools to get in. And yes you can use a an acid ball even without meter to get in.

 

[BloodyNights]

I read thread and only post I remembered or word I remembered was "salt"

The Salt is so real in this thread...lol

 

[exflyingbooty]

@exflyingbooty

Reptile has armor. He doesn't have safe armor though which is maybe what you mean?

i literally read somewhere he didn't have good wake up on here which i don't recall were atm, but really who the fuck needs "safe armored options"
Ughhh. Fuck the only person who needs a "safe armored option" is milenna in etheral and fucking during fade won't even be safe.

 

[qspec]

i literally read somewhere he didn't have good wake up on here which i don't recall were atm, but really who the fuck needs "safe armored options"
Ughhh. Fuck the only person who needs a "safe armored option" is milenna in etheral and fucking during fade won't even be safe.

Ex-claw is a decent wake-up since it has armor and can be converted. Ex-dash is armored and fast as hell so it can be most armor break attempts on wake-up. Both are going to get punished on block though.

 

[AdaptiveTrigger]

I think I understand why people are now saying Reptile is bottom 5 all of a sudden...for the record, I am not convinced (as a Reptile main myself).

 

[Gesture Required Ahead]

@Fraud Blank

Covering a few different posts here.

First, OP said nothing. It was politician speak at best. It sounded pretty and was ultimately hollow. It did try to make some points... sure, but ultimately reading between those lines was nothing more than a part of the unfounded conspiracy theory that NRS listens to the whining of TYM.

Second, Reptile's SFB can be used to get in. I've used it to get in. I've seen better players than myself (and ostensibly you) use it to get in. I've had it used against me to get in. Run is a thing in this game. From some distances not only can you get a SFB in, you can run up and 2B before it even hits. Hell, even in cases that you can't... it does cause some blockstun during which you are free to move.

Third, no one in this game has zoning. It is a legit criticism of MKX as a whole, but to hold it against Reptile is crazy since he can hold his own in zoning wars with all but a handful of characters.

SFB getting in only works if the opponent is unfamiliar with Reptile. I will repeat again and again if I have to, Reptile has a lot of frames of recovery on SFB. By the time you have recovered, the opponent could have already jumped it, low profiled it, armored through it, teleported away from it and blown up your run attempt.

I could care less about Reptile's zoning. I know zoning is a playstyle that's underrepresented in MKX. I'm saying Reptile's projectiles suck. Period. For zoning or otherwise. They do have their uses, yes. But no, you will not win zoning wars with Reptile. You're not supposed to. His tools are designed for him to get in your face and mix you up for average damage.

 

[Gesture Required Ahead]

I read thread and only post I remembered or word I remembered was "salt"

This is unfair. You knew the pain of playing a bad character and now that he's buffed, you're just going to leave us behind?

 

[qspec]

This is unfair. You knew the pain of playing a bad character and now that he's buffed, you're just going to leave us behind?

Spoiler alert: He doesn't think he's bad.

 

[Gesture Required Ahead]

@qspec and all others exaggerating regular slowball

Look at where the Forceball is before Reptile can even start running. Look at all the things the opponent can do against this "set-up". I'll list them in order:

1. Low profile moves
2. Armor
3. Jumping
4. Teleport if you have one

These are simple options without even considering the fact that F412 is a soft knockdown and can be tech-rolled. This projectile without meter is TRASH.

EX Slowball on the other hand is a good tool. But seeing Reptile already needs meter to get damage off of his 50/50 options...yea... Combine that with his EXCELLENT meter-building (sarcasm)...yea...

 

[juicepouch]

What exactly is the point to the topic? I mean it's all so charmingly "eloquented" and everything but where's the meat? For this theory to work there would have to have been a "good" character made "great", please point me to that/those characters...

Otherwise you're just implying people should just stfu and take it if their character is bad. Jelly dressed in a suit is still jelly.

that's why it's a theory, I have no evidence. It's just something I suspect

this is like someone just read pascal's bet and decided to apply it to the patch cycle in an attempt to have a point.

I'm just prompting discussion, thanks for reminding me of pascal's bet though

We didn't ask for this. If you wish to blame someone, blame yourselves.

I almost mained Bane, too

Maybe people are vocal because they realize the problems their characters have? The same problems the developers also recognize?

Like, did anyone think Blood God was good? Or Lasher?

Saying that the game designers can't recognize what turned out to be the weaker variations on their own doesn't make sense. The reason people are complaining is that they realize things that are probably obvious to many.

Perhaps their voices in tandem with developer recognition may influence how much they are changed?I never said NRS couldn't recognize what needed to be changed, just that outcry among the community might influence the degree to which things are changed

I read thread and only post I remembered or word I remembered was "salt"

One of my favorite things about posting threads here is that I never know what it will become. I don't know what kind of response I was expecting but it certainly wasn't a "is reptile or mileena worse" debate

Also @BennKX I'm glad someone thought that was funny

 

[tatterbug4]

As I stated multiple times now, NO regular Slowball DOES NOT HELP YOU MOVE IN. Only EX Slowball does. Regular Slowball as well as ALL OF HIS PROJECTILES OUTSIDE OF EX SLOWBALL have a quadrillion frames of recovery.

Acid spit only serves to trade vs other projectiles when Reptile has the life lead.

Regular and EX Fastball have 0 uses outside of swag combo.

When Reptile is getting zoned, he has to get in. And he can get in pretty effectively at the cost of a bar. But that's not where his problems lie.

Everything you say I couldn't agree more.

But kenshi got his buff and I must go back to my zoning style I always preferred.

On the other hand I got a pocket reptile now that stinks