you're mosty going to land a hit by playing lame as shit and waiting for them to open themselves up. whiff punish with f22, anti air with hellsparks and ex the last hit then confirm into a combo. he seems to be a very turtly character
yeah and thats what I mean once people figured him out, I dont belive its going to work. Why would they open themselfs up? I think in imposter Shinnok could be outzoned easy, why would a good player beeing so unsafe to get into your vortex with no reason, also most if not all chars will outfootsie him in close range. I just cant see Shinnok beeing good in the future, as much as I would love him to be at least decent, I cant see it at all, he is just to unsafe... high risk, low reward
I can see his teleport do wonders against zoning, and you say he has no mix ups even though he has a vortex:/ that is impossible )
i dont think all characters will outpoke him at close range. he still has a 5 frame d1. you generally want to poke them until they get into max range of b3 and then you can do hellsparks at a safe range where all 3 balls connect. also 6 frame d2 helps as a fast button to get people off you. he also has an armored reversal/wakeup which is really nice for a zoner to have
well I will try to stick with him and give him a shot, dont know which other character to play ^^
yeah it seems like if you want to be good at shinnok you have to excel at playing neutral. you really can't force your offense on someone but you have all the tools to cover a lot
No I agree, in fact people actually have made fun of the Necromancer arms and I don't blame them, they look really underwhelming (lame).
Honestly just go Necromancer. The most you're going to have to deal with is unsafe teleports and some ground shenanigans. Having a spear with Imposter is pretty useful but honestly I'd negate alot of damage in this matchup for some consistent long range spacing attacks and pokes ; For the most part I haven't really faced 'any' good Scorpions yet so I wouldn't know but for the most part I can't see anything beating Necromancer for this one.
I play Necromancer Shinnok and typically I'll get Scorp knocked down but he'll just teleport or EX spear when I try to do a meaty flick or summoned fiend or even a judgement fist often Scorp will do EX Takedown if close enough or just run past it or even teleport. So I try playing a more neutral game against him involving F2,2,3 and doing a shoulder charge but it just seems Scorpion will do a backdash and then spear. I suppose I just gotta get used to the mix up Inferno variation provides once he fakes a teleport and gets in.
I feel you, I think Shinnok is realy the ONLY character in the game without meterless combos
Yeah Shinnok needs meter for any substantial damage.
Yeah I know what you mean ; I feel like vs Scorpion you're just going to have to play completely defensive (or really anyone with Shinnok.) As he just doesn't have a way to open anyone up and isn't going to contend well aggressively with most of the cast. I've been having alot of luck with raw hellsparks and just playing extra conservatively. Bone flick is safe on block so that gives you some options. The only reason I go Necro is because Boneshaper seems way too slow and punishable vs Scorpions mobility and Imposter gives you his spear which is arguably better than Necro but I'm not so sure yet. I suppose you get the ability steal reset with imposter too ; still not sure.
I play Bone Shaper exclusively (not interested at all in the other 2 variations), but I havent played any matches so far, just hitting the lab.
I believe his 1,1,2,3 string ends in a hard knockdown, 3 being an overhead. Does he have any other hard knockdowns I'm missing?
EX Flick, EX Judgement Fist in Necromancer AFAIK.
nj4 as well, which is relevant for imposter.