Question - Sub-Zero Got the game early, q&a about Subzero moveset etc(no story spoilers)

[Walter Fudgens]

The numbers are spaced as if he was saying startup/BlockAdv/Recovery. Or at least that's how I read it. Meaning after a blocked f4 the advantage would be 0. So the OH/Low options are only slightly negative on block, but their startup is 15frames and 16frames. After a blocked F4 they both can be beaten by a faster normal like a 9frame combo starting string or interrupted by an armored special... Not good.


Seems like it would be more gimmicky than a real strategy to mix people up. Like Qwark said after a blocked jump in you're + enough for an unreactable 50/50, but after a F3 or F4 you'll get blown up.


Unless there are other unique strings that follow up after a F4 or F3 not listed it'll get blown up every time.

Ah okay, I must've been mistaken. I thought that he was saying it was start-up/block advantage/hit advantage. That's why I thought he was saying that if your opponent gets hit by a f4 or a f3 you would be at enough advantage to guarantee an OH/low mix-up, in the same way that connecting with Kitana's cutter or Ermac's 321 in mk9 gave you enough advantage for a safe jump.

My bad.

 

[just_2swift]

@Repulsar What is the cancel advantage of an ice clone after one of his best block strings? Can you follow up with pressure right after? Like example:. Block string xx clone then pressure xx detonate clone for plus frames?

 

[Invincibeast]

@Qwark28 @Repulsar
Thoughts about Kenshi and his variations, specials, strings, movement?
Thanks in advance lads

 

[Eddy Wang]

@Qwark28 can tell me block adv on Scorpion's teleport? And his F2?

 

[SaltShaker]

Ah okay, I must've been mistaken. I thought that he was saying it was start-up/block advantage/hit advantage. That's why I thought he was saying that if your opponent gets hit by a f4 or a f3 you would be at enough advantage to guarantee an OH/low mix-up, in the same way that connecting with Kitana's cutter or Ermac's 321 in mk9 gave you enough advantage for a safe jump.

My bad.

Wait nah bro, I think you might be right. It probably is hit adv. That would make sense with the comment he made. Looking back at the numbers he posted more of them look like they would fit hit adv.

That would also be a much better way to balance a 50/50 than the Batgirl bs we just saw. This is good news.

 

[I$AAC]

Qwark and Co'. doing gods work. I appreciate all the info!

 

[NoobHunter420]

didnt play enough people for a koth. ranked is accessed via player match with 3 options
ranked
player
private

when in ranked does it keep throwing opponents at you without having to press anything?
or is it like injustice where you have to select "ranked match" to find a new opponent.
KI=killer instinct

 

[Ugodimak]

Any info on Sub's Unbreakable Variation would be greatly appreciated.

 

[50 Shades of Shut Up]

The cry for 50/50's in this thread is just embarrassing. Injustice spoiled you, be ashamed.

 

[sealt]

Hey guys, is there an Option to reduce or deactivate Gore in the Game?

 

[-narshkajke-]

Hi, regarding the clones, is there any proximity needed to make clones in MKX?
Because in the last MK, whenever Sub is too close with the opponent the clones can't be made.
thanks

 

[xXstealthflameXx]

Hi, regarding the clones, is there any proximity needed to make clones in MKX?
Because in the last MK, whenever Sub is too close with the opponent the clones can't be made.
thanks

I'm gonna take a wild guess and say yes because otherwise in the corner you would be able to cancel a string into clone on hit and it would freeze them. Clone isn't meant to be used mid combo.

 

[-narshkajke-]

I'm gonna take a wild guess and say yes because otherwise in the corner you would be able to cancel a string into clone on hit and it would freeze them. Clone isn't meant to be used mid combo.

damn, I still hope it's not as strict as the clones in MK9,
thanks man

 

[TopTierHarley]

when in ranked does it keep throwing opponents at you without having to press anything?
or is it like injustice where you have to select "ranked match" to find a new opponent.
KI=killer instinct

On the video I saw, after the ranked match it says "Do you want to continue searching?" Or something like that. No more pressing ranked again over and over, just press X/A once to keep searching.

 

[Repulsar]

Hi, regarding the clones, is there any proximity needed to make clones in MKX?
Because in the last MK, whenever Sub is too close with the opponent the clones can't be made.
thanks

I just tested this out. In the corner starting with a 1,1 string then ice Klone cancel and there is no proximity. The klone comes out. The klone's model almost touches the leg of the opponent but there is no insta freeze without the opponent making a move input.

 

[ShArp]

I just tested this out. In the corner starting with a 1,1 string then ice Klone cancel and there is no proximity. The klone comes out. The klone's model almost touches the leg of the opponent but there is no insta freeze without the opponent making a move input.

That's awesome. So it's better than in MK9 because the clone is even closer to the opponent and makes it difficult for him to not move into the clone afterwards?

 

[-narshkajke-]

I just tested this out. In the corner starting with a 1,1 string then ice Klone cancel and there is no proximity. The klone comes out. The klone's model almost touches the leg of the opponent but there is no insta freeze without the opponent making a move input.

wow, this time maining a sub will be really sweet, I hate the mk9 canceled klones, it broke sub in many ways.
grandmaster cannot be any sweeter
Thanks a lot @Repulsar

 

[Repulsar]

That's awesome. So it's better than in MK9 because the clone is even closer to the opponent and makes it difficult for him to not move into the clone afterwards?

Yeah i believe so

 

[xXstealthflameXx]

@Repulsar Can you check Kung Jin's MB chakram frame adv? 16 Bit acted like it was really plus on stream

 

[TrulyAmiracle]

@Repulsar @Qwark28

Can I get the frame data on Spectral Ermac flight and teleport start up/recovery pls?

Does he get anything in Spectral aside from the flight and air charge special?


Also if you have time, depending on how much the flight start up is (say 11f) can you check through his strings if any of the hits have more stun than the start up?


Thanks ^^

 

[Phosferrax]

@Repulsar what's the frame data for Liu Kang's light form projectiles and what does the ex version do?

 

[Repulsar]

@Repulsar Can you check Kung Jin's MB chakram frame adv? 16 Bit acted like it was really plus on stream

ex chakram is 13, 0, 0

 

[cyke_out]

He gains a blade slice special that's +10 on hit for continued pressure and will launch on EX.

could you please list the full frame data for the cut throat blade slice? Thank you.

 

[Repulsar]

@Repulsar what's the frame data for Liu Kang's light form projectiles and what does the ex version do?

normal solar flare is: 18,-17,4
ex solar flare is: 21,15,50

The ex version does more damage and causes a knockdown.

 

[Phosferrax]

normal solar flare is: 18,-17,4
ex solar flare is: 21,15,50

The ex version does more damage and causes a knockdown.

Could you check the frame data for Dragon's fire projectiles please?