i agree with these top 5, but id switch kabal and reptile
i agree with these top 5, but id switch kabal and reptile
Armored EX slide makes it much more risky to try and zone SubZero. Subzero's offense is ridiculous. Throwing a projectile at him when he has meter now will net him a knockdown. This gives Sub the chance he needs to come inside where you dont want him to be. And if you respect his meter options now that means your not trying to zone him, and hes coming in anyway.
im switch my main from noob to cinder from killer instinct to counter you and brady.
I'm not about to argue with you, but yes I originally thought his EX dash punch should hit crouching opponents. After all these buffs he's getting he definitely doesn't need it. The gp cancel is still a viable tool. Its a zoning/ guessing game with that. I mean if the person jumps you can anti air(jump in) or rush in on them(jump out). You could always just let him punch the ground if they guess you're going for a cancel anyway.After everyone gets used to his new buffs will he need anything else? My final note is that in high level play it usually(and should) take a shit ton of skill to win, regardless of character choice. Jax has been a monster for a while now, he's the only character I know of that can kill you in the corner from one hit confirm. (breakers pending)
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I wouldn't really consider taking away his ex-ground freeze reset a "hard nerf" because some Sub-Zero players never relied on it for example: Tom Brady. The major disadvantage that most SZ players had was getting in against zoners. With the faster speed and super-armor on ex-slide that all but nullfies that problem. Not only that but SZ can jump the projectile and clone, which prematurely sets up a ex-slide combo if the opponent throws another projectile. If the opponent doesn't do anything well then it allows SZ to advance. This is one of the many mind games that SZ has now, hopefully top SZ players like Brady can bring the best out of him.
I need to say this, Dave thank you. You're posts are always informative and I always learn something from them. Once again, thank you.
After reading this for the first time, I wanted to do this:
What? They've made 314 COMPLETELY uncancellable just to prevent a brainless infinite while all they needed to do was to reduce the hitstun frames of the last hit, destroying the only viable WallCombo she had???
Oh well i heard that these 2 frames will make a drastic change to his tele. Regarding the Ex tele i believe that Raiden will flash and we will be able to spot the dropping bar before taking any action. I still have Raiden easier MU then SZ and now with increased freeze time its going to be really tough.
In case you didn't know,
Those changes, like JC losing hisAfter reading this for the first time, I wanted to do this:
Then I ALMOST did this:
But I just ended up doing this:
Seriously, this is stupid. My rushdown character not being able to rushdown my opponent with a consistent blockstring = WTF???
What? They've made 314 COMPLETELY uncancellable just to prevent a brainless infinite while all they needed to do was to reduce the hitstun frames of the last hit, destroying the only viable WallCombo she had???
LAME.
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xx Nut Punch or Ermac losing 
xx Lift, were done because they were glitches. , Sektor's , Kung Lao's . Now I reckon there are probably more of these buggy strings left untouched that should be fixed for consistency across the whole roster.
You got me wrong, man.Those changes, like JC losing his
No complete strings should be able to true combo into a special move even when they make the opponent stagger a bit, only half strings can. On the other hand, complete strings that knockdown work because the special move juggles.
Test it for yourself with any character; some examples, Scorpion's
string into a spear, but since it's not a true combo your opponent is able to block the incoming spear without any problems.
and strings, making them just a pile of stinky useless crap.
Sweet, more Raiden action on the way. You know what...if they would've really hit him with a nerff people will complain. I mean regardless of the change there always will be group of folks who wont like it. So NRS i guess did what they thought was right. If they fix the technical issues that covers the glitches and everything related then this patch may be considered the best so far imo. Though i order to really make such a statement we need to test everything at least for a week or two, and then it will be somewhat accurate.
most of the time teleport gets punished by reads not reaction. if you try to read and punish then you'll eat combos, if you wait for the flash then by that time you'll know theres nothing you can do but block, witch allows raiden to continue pressure because it cant be interupted. now ex teleport has a purpose. i agree the top tier characters are staying top tier but they will require more thought than before like raiden lao and cyrax. now the only easy mode top tier is reptile
oh, i forgot to mention, her enhanced boomerangs return even if they're blocked! that equals enhanced boomerang>dash>dash>pressure because the opponent will remain blocking.
You still can cancel into special moves from those strings. That's what they mean by "no longer true combos into 2in1’d special moves from it". Those Sonya strings should work just like Scorpion'sYou got me wrong, man.
I don't want a TRUE combo from those strings, I just want to be able to cancel the last hit into one of my Special Moves. You can cancel the last punch in Scorpion's
This is the property NRS is removing from Sonya's
LMFAO!!
his double teleport and smoke towards/away prevent him from being cornered. you know smoke is one of the hardest characters to keep cornered, right?
REO stated that the opponent can jump before the return hit. Which also means that the opponent can also uppercut or use armor moves and win the potential trade. The return hit on en straight and EN high also causes massive pushback so the potential for pressure is limited. EN low has too much recovery. You would know this if you actually played the character. I'm still waiting for proof on these "facts" you stated. She does not have invincibility during her staff moves period. U3 is not free at the beginning of the match or at any point of the round. U3 whiffs often when an opponent is jumping forward leaving her open for free jip combos. Not only that but the move can punished easily on block with fast specials like electric fly.
Kabal's 50/50 mix ups are irrelevant to his tier rank. You have to understand that very, very few characters in this game have "pure" 50/50 mix ups as almost all are fuzzy guardable. This game revolves more around safe, hit-confirmable strings that lead to combos, and Kabal has many of such strings. All of Kabal's strings are basically used as bait to get you to jump or attack at the wrong time, so that you get juggled. Kabal also has one of the most spammable projectiles in the game. He is really a character who has everything. He is just somewhat limited by execution unlike a character like Raiden, for example.MoonSpell said:
It's bugs like these that keep the competitive community from further adopting this game. How does NRS expect this game to be accepted as a "tournament worthy game" when they don't fix bugs like the Input Glitch? Problems like these violates the basic expectation of having full control of your character at all times. With the importance of low pokes in this game, I'm sick of getting standing moves when I clearly imputed the motion for a low poke. Personally, I would have had a party if they had just fixed that for the patch.
