Batman FINAL Matchup Chart

[cR WoundCowboy]

What do you mean I can do whatever I want? Without trait bats, Batman loses the zoning trades GUARANTEED. Without the trait bats, if Batman rushes Sinestro down he most likely going to get D2'd eventually or Sinestro is just going to block, there's nothing to be scared of with Batman in your face ESPECIALLY if he doesn't have trait

You're thinking about this wrong. Batman's goal should not be to rush Sinestro down. He lames him out. Sinestro CANNOT touch him unless he is absolutely full screen away, which means that HE must rush Batman down. Batman has a good enough forward walk and forward dash to ensure that they are almost never full screen apart. Batman's projectiles do more damage than fear blast, and bats can catch Sinestro into a combo.

 

[cR WoundCowboy]

Actually i read everything both of you guys said...... yeah nice way to assume lmao. Also after your batman vs GL slop talk, i don't even know if I can trust your MU words now haha. But you made some solid points, however i have thought batman and sinestro was 5 5 for a while now, this is no epiphany.

Well, what else am I supposed to assume when you add nothing to the conversation?

 

[Pnut]

Batmen love to shoot bats then fj2 a well spaced and done right trait cancel (to bait bat) jb2 air axe into full combo will beat it clean

What? Once batman is in (which isn't hard because we can't zone him and bats punish b12), he can literally jump for almost free. The talking point of "bats didn't hit so I get nothing" is BS because you literally spent nothing. We are in 2015 and push blocking and getting hit are still talking points in batman matchups. The scariest thing I've found in this game isn't 50/50's, it's when a Batman player decides to hold bats and do nothing. Sitting inside b12 range and waiting for me to hit a button is absolutely terrifying. I can't believe that 1 set with Cowboy after you haven't been practicing changed your matchup number. You literally bodied every Sinestro player for over a year, and from what I hear, you still downplayed EVEN PREPATCH. We leveled up in the matchup, and I think it's time batman players did the same.

 

[cR WoundCowboy]

Also @FOREVER KING , I used to play the MU in the way that you describe and I struggled alot vs Batman. It was not until I started being more aggressive in the MU that I was able to do better. Being defensive against Batman simply doesn't work.

 

[Knoterror]

You can punished a whiffed grapple hook from full screen with jump laser lol. Hitting Batman with a laser makes Batman loses his trait bats, and MB the laser sends Batman full screen and does 15%? Something like that

That's more of a trade scenario though. If Supes ducks it, he cant jump up and air punish it from full screen. He'd have to already be in the air. Even from 3/4 is a tight straight up punish. Basically any distance where flying punch would whiff is safe.

 

[M2Dave]

Anything that was pre-patch Sinestro has pushblock into trait into shackles for full combos. I don't think Batman ever beat Sinestro lol. It might have been 5-5 when the game was released, then like 7-3 Sinestro when Batman got nerfed, then back to 5-5 when the hotfix fixed Sinestro's pushblock shenanigans

Ignoring the fact that Batman's pre-patch trait is better than anything Sinestro has every had in this game...

...no Sinestro players knew about the push block / trait glitch back then, so your argument is irrelevant. Besides, safe b+1,2 is more important to Sinestro than the push block / trait glitch. Without a safe b+1,2, Sinestro loses 8:2 to characters like Aquaman and Martian Manhunter.

Again, I think it is safe to say that if anybody wins this match, it is Batman. Match up results and theory support this argument.

 

[Ninequads93]

Very well said Pnut about the part where if batmans use trait more as a threat it is terrifying I've said this to batman players before if you let Sinestro control the pace of the match it's not going to end well you have to use bats as a threat instead of I'm going to try to get in for free option

 

[YOMI MITYEAP]

Well, what else am I supposed to assume when you add nothing to the conversation?

"adding nothing to the conversation" is just ur perspective. I was just saying I agree with Forever King's number. Now if I wasn't focused on what I got to do for school tomorrow, i probably could come up with an in depth breakdown of the matchup/ give a detailed opinion but I do not have that luxury atm. Also my intention was not to add to the conversation because I am not arguing about a matchup that will probably never reach a conclusion anyways haha, its pointless. But will I state my opinion? Certainly.

 

[ForeverKing]

That's more of a trade scenario though. If Supes ducks it, he cant jump up and air punish it from full screen. He'd have to already be in the air. Even from 3/4 is a tight straight up punish. Basically any distance where flying punch would whiff is safe.

If Superman is standing on the ground and reacts to Batman's grappling hook (you can see the animation of him standing there pulling out his gun) you just jump forward air dash forward and as the grappling hook is zooming under you shoot a laser. Not that difficult

 

[ForeverKing]

Ignoring the fact that Batman's pre-patch trait is better than anything Sinestro has every had in this game...

...no Sinestro players knew about the push block / trait glitch back then, so your argument is irrelevant. Besides, safe b+1,2 is more important to Sinestro than the push block / trait glitch. Without a safe b+1,2, Sinestro loses 8:2 to characters like Aquaman and Martian Manhunter.

Again, I think it is safe to say that if anybody wins this match, it is Batman. Match up results and theory support this argument.

I'm not going to lie Batman's pre patch trait is OP, but literally nothing in this game was ever more broke then "I'm just going to sit here and block and if you touch me you lose 20% and get sent back full screen again." There's no way Sinestro ever lost to Batman as long as he had that.

And I think a lot of you guys aren't taking into account that Sinestro can vortex Batman's life away meterlessly. I mean sure Batman's trait is good, but is it better than a unreactable meterless vortex.... I don't know

 

[Knoterror]

If Superman is standing on the ground and reacts to Batman's grappling hook (you can see the animation of him standing there pulling out his gun) you just jump forward air dash forward and as the grappling hook is zooming under you shoot a laser. Not that difficult

I'll have to take your word for it. I'm ready for this game to be over already.

 

[ForeverKing]

What? Once batman is in (which isn't hard because we can't zone him and bats punish b12), he can literally jump for almost free. The talking point of "bats didn't hit so I get nothing" is BS because you literally spent nothing. We are in 2015 and push blocking and getting hit are still talking points in batman matchups. The scariest thing I've found in this game isn't 50/50's, it's when a Batman player decides to hold bats and do nothing. Sitting inside b12 range and waiting for me to hit a button is absolutely terrifying. I can't believe that 1 set with Cowboy after you haven't been practicing changed your matchup number. You literally bodied every Sinestro player for over a year, and from what I hear, you still downplayed EVEN PREPATCH. We leveled up in the matchup, and I think it's time batman players did the same.

I can beat every Sinestro in the world with Batman, and I can beat every Batman in the world with Sinestro. So I would say I know that matchup better than anyone else lol.

But Batman jumping on Sinestro for free? Get out of here.... Sinestro's D2 will anti air Batman's J2 99% percent of the time if you're spaced right.

And I still don't think you Sinestro players understand..... Batman is literally not scary rushing you down at all. If you know how to block, you shouldn't be worried at all. What is he going to do mix you up with that really quick overhead/low? Oh wait Batman doesn't have that lol.

I can't take anyone seriously who says Batman wins because he gets in for free..... Who cares if he gets in for free? What is he going to do a bunch of slow overheads?

 

[YOMI MITYEAP]

I can beat every Sinestro in the world with Batman, and I can beat every Batman in the world with Sinestro. So I would say I know that matchup better than anyone else lol.

But Batman jumping on Sinestro for free? Get out of here.... Sinestro's D2 will anti air Batman's J2 99% percent of the time if you're spaced right.

And I still don't think you Sinestro players understand..... Batman is literally not scary rushing you down at all. If you know how to block, you shouldn't be worried at all. What is he going to do mix you up with that really quick overhead/low? Oh wait Batman doesn't have that lol.

I can't take anyone seriously who says Batman wins because he gets in for free..... Who cares if he gets in for free? What is he going to do a bunch of slow overheads?

Batman's jump 2 gets blown up by d2 and also jump 1 blows it up as well. J2 was only a big issue before they buffed d2s and what not, not the case by any means anymore.

 

[Fred Marvel]

So MKX is coming out soon, and idk if Injustice is going to die or not but it's definitely not going to have as much competition in the future as it has the past year. So without further ado, this is Batman's FINAL matchup chart before MKX is released:

3 - 7 vs. Aquaman
6 - 4 vs. Ares
5 - 5 vs. Bane
5 - 5 vs. Batgirl
5 - 5 vs. Batman
5 - 5 vs. Black Adam
5 - 5 vs. Catwoman
6 - 4 vs. Cyborg
5 - 5 vs. Deathstroke
6 - 4 vs. Doomsday
4 - 6 vs. Flash
6 - 4 vs. Green Arrow
4 - 6 vs. Green Lantern
4 - 6 vs. Harley Quinn
5 - 5 vs. Hawkgirl
6 - 4 vs. Joker
5 - 5 vs. Killer Frost
5 - 5 vs. Lex Luthor
5 - 5 vs. Lobo (possible 4-6)
4 - 6 vs. Martian Manhunter (possible 3-7)
5 - 5 vs. Nightwing
4 - 6 vs. Raven
6 - 4 vs. Scorpion (possible 7-3)
6 - 4 vs. Shazam
5 - 5 vs. Sinestro
6 - 4 vs. Solomon Grundy
5 - 5 vs. Superman
5 - 5 vs. Wonder Woman
5 - 5 vs. Zatanna
4 - 6 vs. Zod

I was going to post my reasonings for each matchup, but instead we can just talk about it in the thread, so discuss!

Also I'm thinking about making a final Batman guide before MKX releases, similar to my Wonder Woman guide I made. So watch out for that

not gonna argue or dispute anything i would just like to see your reasoning for GL being 4-6

 

[cR WoundCowboy]

I can beat every Sinestro in the world with Batman, and I can beat every Batman in the world with Sinestro. So I would say I know that matchup better than anyone else lol.

But Batman jumping on Sinestro for free? Get out of here.... Sinestro's D2 will anti air Batman's J2 99% percent of the time if you're spaced right.

And I still don't think you Sinestro players understand..... Batman is literally not scary rushing you down at all. If you know how to block, you shouldn't be worried at all. What is he going to do mix you up with that really quick overhead/low? Oh wait Batman doesn't have that lol.

I can't take anyone seriously who says Batman wins because he gets in for free..... Who cares if he gets in for free? What is he going to do a bunch of slow overheads?

He SHOULDN'T be trying to get in. The D2 thing is BS and you KNOW it. Smart Batmen only jump when they are in Sinestro's face, because Sinestro cannot D2 them on reaction at that range. And no, you will not beat my Sinestro with Batman, and your Sinestro will also not beat my Batman.

 

[M2Dave]

I can beat every Sinestro in the world with Batman...

From what I have heard, you cannot.

...and I can beat every Batman in the world with Sinestro.

And I can almost beat every Zod player with my Sinestro. No one cares.

How many times have you used this logic in the past? How many have people disproved it? Yet you still continue to use it. LOL.

 

[ForeverKing]

From what I have heard, you cannot.



And I can almost beat every Zod player with my Sinestro. No one cares.

How many times have you used this logic in the past? How many have people disproved it? Yet you still continue to use it. LOL.

No you can't. You can't beat my Zod with Sinestro, or probably Pigs

 

[M2Dave]

No you can't. You can't beat my Zod with Sinestro, or probably Pigs

I can definitely beat yours, but not Pig's.

You play the same with every character anyway. Rush. Rush. Rush.

 

[ForeverKing]

He SHOULDN'T be trying to get in. The D2 thing is BS and you KNOW it. Smart Batmen only jump when they are in Sinestro's face, because Sinestro cannot D2 them on reaction at that range. And no, you will not beat my Sinestro with Batman, and your Sinestro will also not beat my Batman.

OK let's money match them both

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

The sexual tension between king and cowboy is unreal

 

[ForeverKing]

I can definitely beat yours, but not Pig's.

You play the same with every character anyway. Rush. Rush. Rush.

Well either way, you can't beat every Zod with Sinestro. Nobody has really disproved that logic, I still believe in it. If X character beats Y character, and person Z is using Y character, there has to be at least one person in the world that can beat Z with X character

 

[KingHippo]

The only thing that sucks is that both players have such huge egos that the only thing that changes their MU numbers is losing a tournament set, which likely won't happen in the weeks and years to come. Like, if they could have an argument and change each other's minds, that would be great. Wonderful, even. We might get some, dare I say, juicy discussion. But alas, we're stuck with another thread where King and Cowboy kill the thing arguing the same shitty points.

 

[cR WoundCowboy]

OK let's money match them both

Okay, when?

 

[Peckapowa]

I can definitely beat yours, but not Pig's.

You play the same with every character anyway. Rush. Rush. Rush.

Sounds like he's bizarro m2dave

 

[Forbidden_Donut]

This is a great matchup chart. Borderline perfect. The only thing I respectfully disagree with is the bane number. I still think batman wins this matchup 6-4, but I respect anyone who thinks it's 5-5. Harley is basically the only character I feel like I haven't played at a truly high level so I will take your word for it that she beats him.

Also, this batman sinestro talk is crazy. I can't fathom why anyone would think batman wins after reading all of those explanations. Batman has to waste trait to stop sinestro from charging his trait. Once he wastes trait, sinestro has every advantage in the world, including one of the top 3 best d2s for anti airing Batman's j2. Without trait batman can't punish b12 and if he hangs on to trait sinestro just walks back and can start charging trait again. Also, when batman uses trait to stop sinestro from charging his, he loses the only anti air option he has for sinestro jumping in. He can't anti air sinestro for shit outside if beating him with an air to air. Batman does well and has the clear advantage when he backs sin in the corner and when he knocks him down. I agree with kings 5-5 number.