Juicy IV: Which reportedly 3-7 or worse match ups are a bill?

[16 Bit]

Which commonly accepted "unwinnable" match ups are in fact only slight advantage? Maybe even? Are there any match ups where you feel one side doesn't play it right or perhaps one side is getting out played? Maybe some of them are unexplored and everyone just threw out 3-7 as a meta 1 talking point. Discuss.

 

[Rev_]

Bane vs flash being 3-7 is a VERY big bill to me.

 

[Laos_boy]

Killer frost 7-3ing Sinestro, doomsday and aquaman. Are huge bills.

 

[Rickyraws]

Hawkgirl 7-3 KF is a more disingenuous bill than Cosby.

 

[EMPEROR_THEO]

Is it okay to say Batman 7-3ing Sinestro is a bill? I'm afraid that would destroy the competition.

 

[STB Shujinkydink]

Green arrow and mmh. Very few are playing it right

 

[Slips]

Flash beating DS 7-3 is a bill.

 

[M2Dave]

Flash beating DS 7-3 is a bill.

Debatable.

Have you or King Hippo ever fought a high level Flash player?

 

[Doombawkz]

I heard somewhere Superman 7-3s Bane because trait and lazers.

 

[IMakeItL00kC00L]

Killer frost 7-3ing Sinestro, doomsday and aquaman. Are huge bills.

I don't think anyone has thought that since 2013 for sinestro

 

[Zyphox]

Debatable.

Have you or King Hippo ever fought a high level Flash player?

Not sure what honeybee thinks but i have come to terms that its only 6-4 at worst. if you just try to zone with DS and not take advantage of all his other tools then yeah its like a 9-1 MU in that regard lol.

 

[Pnut]

Sinestro 7-3s Nightwing. Sorry everyone is free to zoning.

 

[Slips]

Debatable.

Have you or King Hippo ever fought a high level Flash player?

Has a high level Flash player played us?

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

God this thread is full of juice

The term "Juicy" is definitely paying its dues here
@Slips

 

[STRYKIE]

Debatable.

Have you or King Hippo ever fought a high level Flash player?

The difference is that Slips and Hippo have probably contemplated the idea of just playing that matchup in close quarters.

 

[Pnut]

God this thread is full of juice

The term "Juicy" is definitely paying its dues here
@Slips

dews*

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

Sinestro/Aquaman 7-3ing ZOD

Sorry our character is just harder and isn't braindead to play and it took us a while to catch up

Both are probably 5-5

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

dews*

I didn't want to confuse young slips Even more


He's so fragile lately in this "Dews" thing

Poor guy, Never stood a chance

 

[HoneyBee]

Not sure what honeybee thinks but i have come to terms that its only 6-4 at worst. if you just try to zone with DS and not take advantage of all his other tools then yeah its like a 9-1 MU in that regard lol.

Flash vs DS definitely isn't a 7-3. I haven't played the top DS reps... not completely sure who they are... but I've played it and it's obvious that DS has options. I have it as a 6-4 Flash but I would be open to even making it a 5-5 if I was properly convinced in an offline set.

 

[Slips]

God this thread is full of juice

The term "Juicy" is definitely paying its dues here
@Slips

I do like these "Juicy" threads. Them paying dues doesn't actually make sense since they didn't owe anyone anything anyway.

 

[SneakyTortoise]

So, if neither Zyphox or Honeybee are selling it as a 7-3, who the hell is??

Also, MMH 7-3ing Zod is a bill.

 

[M2Dave]

Has a high level Flash player played us?

Fair enough.

Explain how Deathstroke only loses the match 6:4 when...

- Deathstroke's zoning is irrelevant.
- the footsies are even, but the damage output is severely in Flash's favor.
- Flash can punish sword spin which very few characters can.

Sinestro/Aquaman 7-3ing ZOD

Sorry our character is just harder and isn't braindead to play and it took us a while to catch up

Both are probably 5-5

100% true. To this day, Zod requires more effort to beat Aquaman and Sinestro than vice versa.

Zod loses to Martian Manhunter 7:3, though. Martian Manhunter is Zod's only bad match up.

 

[M2Dave]

Also, MMH 7-3ing Zod is a bill.

Zod versus Martian Manhunter is most definitely 7:3 in MMH's favor.

 

[IMakeItL00kC00L]

Remember when martian 7-3'd sinestro?

 

[SneakyTortoise]

Zod versus Martian Manhunter is most definitely 7:3 in MMH's favor.

@Pig Of The Hut do you agree with that?