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shaowebb

Get your guns on. Sheriff is back.
Kotal is looking like it.
Did you see that overhead slam? Its what we've always wanted Ring Toss to be. Also totem giving him 50%+ damage, decent armor, good mobility...
He could be the one.
Kotal so far seems the better heavy hitter choice of the current lineup.
 

Red Reaper

The Hyrax Whisperer
@BiPolarExxpress @Doombawkz

Hey. Do you guys by any chance know how Arrow deals with Bane's oki? I remember it being limited but there's a few things I overlooked like tech rolling after Bane's BF2 which I forgot wasn't a heavy knockdown etc. I want to know my options and your answers, even though I kan definitely see the knockdown game being bad for Arrow.

I'm assuming my options change depending on the knockdown right?
 

Doombawkz

Trust me, I'm a doctor
@BiPolarExxpress @Doombawkz

Hey. Do you guys by any chance know how Arrow deals with Bane's oki? I remember it being limited but there's a few things I overlooked like tech rolling after Bane's BF2 which I forgot wasn't a heavy knockdown etc. I want to know my options and your answers, even though I kan definitely see the knockdown game being bad for Arrow.

I'm assuming my options change depending on the knockdown right?
WU MB b.3 or hurricane bow.
If you have no meter to force the guess, you don't have any options.
 

Red Reaper

The Hyrax Whisperer
WU MB b.3 or hurricane bow.
If you have no meter to force the guess, you don't have any options.
I don't think this helped me. I guess what I want to know is your options...

I don't understand what my answers beat and what they lose to.

Like which of your options beats roll into Savage Blast after you hit me with BF2? What other knockdown situations do you have? DBF3? DBF3 MB? Up Venom? MB Up Venom? I'm assuming they are different knockdown advantages.

Maybe this is too much to ask, but I don't understand. At least not yet.
 
I don't think this helped me. I guess what I want to know is your options...

I don't understand what my answers beat and what they lose to.

Like which of your options beats roll into Savage Blast after you hit me with BF2? What other knockdown situations do you have? DBF3? DBF3 MB? Up Venom? MB Up Venom? I'm assuming they are different knockdown advantages.

Maybe this is too much to ask, but I don't understand. At least not yet.
I'll write up something when I get home
 

Doombawkz

Trust me, I'm a doctor
I don't think this helped me. I guess what I want to know is your options...

I don't understand what my answers beat and what they lose to.

Like which of your options beats roll into Savage Blast after you hit me with BF2? What other knockdown situations do you have? DBF3? DBF3 MB? Up Venom? MB Up Venom? I'm assuming they are different knockdown advantages.

Maybe this is too much to ask, but I don't understand. At least not yet.
B.f .2 roll can be met with dash d.2xxcharge which beats most things. Body splash can be done after VU and MB VU which beats most things. Body press can be followed by d.2xx anything, MB can be dashed after and followed up in the neutral.
 

Red Reaper

The Hyrax Whisperer
B.f .2 roll can be met with dash d.2xxcharge which beats most things. Body splash can be done after VU and MB VU which beats most things. Body press can be followed by d.2xx anything, MB can be dashed after and followed up in the neutral.
Hmm...
BF2 into dash D2~Charge isn't katching roll into Savage Blast.

I'm pretty sure I'm doing the Body Splash after VU and MB VU wrong too, kuz it's not katching anything.

D2~Anything after Body Press is losing to WU Hurricane Bow.

And MB Body Press dash up armor move is losing to WU Hurricane Bow and MB B3.

Looks like I have more options than I thought. I just have to know them.
 

TATAKAE

Punishment by knee of justice
GUYS! I started playing Bane now. I'm having trouble with Green Arrow and Nightwing. Are those banes worst matchups? I can armor cancel and all but when I play green arrow and he wakes up with the jump back exsplosion thing D1 double punch doesn't hit him. Which cancels work? And how do you deal with nightwing ? After every blocked special he gets a free multi hitting string that I can't press a button. How do I deal with him in that matchup? Oh andhow do you stuff his wakeups? Only uppercut stuffs flip kick and flying grayson but If he doesn't wake up and just blocks I have to spend a meter to keep it safe. Is it really a guessing match?
 

shaowebb

Get your guns on. Sheriff is back.
The only thing to really worry about from Green Arrow is Freeze Arrow and mainly bow spin. It sounds like you're overthinking things a bit given two rushdown-centered characters are your struggle matches so far. Be patient with Bane, but remember...you can ignore MOST of the offense in the game the moment you can use lvl 3 venom because the armor it grants allows your offense to just plow through most stuff so long as it isn't multihit like Bowspin from GA.

The idea is to abuse stuff like D1, F2D, specials for the armor and shoot for Knockdowns. You see Bane's armor lets him just stay on top of folks after a knockdown meaning once you get in you stay in. Start counting how many dash ups you can get in between blocked moves. Don't yolo charge all day or folks will bait and whif punish...be smart when you use it. Venum Upper has armor on the way up when he's full of drugs but if you MB it you can get armor on the drop kick...this means its a delayable armored move so you can sort of stagger the second hit of armor and mess with folks, in the corner after a knockdown if you dash over them it will reverse their inputs, and your super autocorrects so if someone teleports behind you Bane dont care because he'll turn and grab them. If you get someone in a corner DONT LET UP. If you got the venom just keep hammering at their wakeup with the armor. Go grabby and break some backs. Also your D2 is pretty decent.

Nightwing is about a 5-5 or 6-5 matchup so that will require some talk with better dudes than me that have more matchup knowledge. Green Arrow is a character I used to main though and he should not be a problem for Bane. If he wants to wakeup with the dashback arrow special then just block and let him walk into a corner and be trapped. His zoning can't keep you out and once he's close to the walls it wont save him. Be patient, block till your guns are loaded with Venom and beat his skull in.
 

The Great One

"I Always d1 Lif-" SHUT UP
GUYS! I started playing Bane now. I'm having trouble with Green Arrow and Nightwing. Are those banes worst matchups? I can armor cancel and all but when I play green arrow and he wakes up with the jump back exsplosion thing D1 double punch doesn't hit him. Which cancels work? And how do you deal with nightwing ? After every blocked special he gets a free multi hitting string that I can't press a button. How do I deal with him in that matchup? Oh andhow do you stuff his wakeups? Only uppercut stuffs flip kick and flying grayson but If he doesn't wake up and just blocks I have to spend a meter to keep it safe. Is it really a guessing match?
For arrow I do d2 charge. B1 and b2 don't work against savage blast so I guess when he starts respecting mix it up with d2 dp and d2 grab. I don't think d1 reaches savage blast.

Nightwing everything wiffs but uppercut. You can d2 him out of flip kick if you time it right and if he's in staff he has no good wake ups. I know tthere's a way to stuff staff spin and gal's bow spin but idk how I just do it in game lol

You're gonna have to ask the grandmaster @Doombawkz
 

The Great One

"I Always d1 Lif-" SHUT UP
I feel like this is a common matchup but how do you approach the Superman matchup? (Sorry if this was mentioned somewhere in the 61 pages....)

I accidentally money matched a Superman.

On knockdown do you just go for the usual d1 dp, d2 grab? Just duck on guess when you think he's gonna rising grab and 113 punish?

If he pops trait do I just immediately stop what I'm doing and let venom drop?

I think bame gets a free dp or grab after a blocked f23 right
 

Doombawkz

Trust me, I'm a doctor
I feel like this is a common matchup but how do you approach the Superman matchup? (Sorry if this was mentioned somewhere in the 61 pages....)

I accidentally money matched a Superman.

On knockdown do you just go for the usual d1 dp, d2 grab? Just duck on guess when you think he's gonna rising grab and 113 punish?

If he pops trait do I just immediately stop what I'm doing and let venom drop?

I think bame gets a free dp or grab after a blocked f23 right
Advice number 1: Get player 1 side

Advice number 2: If he gets knocked down, crouch in front of him and punish anything he does.
 

The Great One

"I Always d1 Lif-" SHUT UP
Yay I won my Money match and it got recorded! I crushed supermen ravens hawkgirls lexes Batmen but I lost to arrow.

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I have to agree with tatakae. When you're full screen you can't charge, and if he just shoots arrows at you what can you do? Omg I feel so scrubby saying that.

"If he shoot arrow what to do"

In the corner it's fine but I feel like he recovers fast enough after a savage blast to block charge unless there are other ways of taking him down. Dp and grab both wiff ...

Is the plan really to get in by slowly walking? I'm free to low arrow or jump back arrow. (Maybe dp on reaction? ) ugh

I think Martian Superman aquaman are free but I struggle against arrow... maybe I should pick up Martian

Edit : if the how to beat arrow was posted before sorry I didn't go through all 60+ pages could you requote it?