I'm saying he needs to capitalize on damage when he can because he has a very difficult time opening opponents up. Batgirls ability to make him think twice is what can halt his momentum and that's a problem for him in any matchup
Joker wins, it's like Aquaman bad for her...I'll tag you but I'm afraid of what you are going to say about that MU too
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Not needed, foxy and I can provide perfect reasoning for the matchup.
Okay so this is what I got from this discussion:
Fromundacheese and Eevee based their MU opinion off of sets they play with each other.
If Joker and Batgirl pushblocked they both have no options in neutral or can benefit from this in anyway.
Joker has infinite meter.
Jokers corner game and damage is equivalent to Batgirls somehow
I suck and AL Eevee is a better player then me
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Ah okay. I am terrible at start of the round inputs, so I must be messing it up. Good to know.
We need to play at Summer Jam.
And we have worse 4-6s, but you know what, put it at that. Numbers don't matter enough to bother arguing about. Everyone forgets but the point of this is to share knowledge so that we can all learn better ways to play the MU. Putting a number on it will not help me play the MU.
If you ever get to the corner with more than 1 bar and run out of meter then you are not doing the right combos.
Ummmm what? Maybe online, but offline you most definitely can.
I maintain that it's in part because none of us are anywhere near your level of play, but that rests on me to prove, which I need to keep improving to do. Hopefully by the end of the year I will change your mind (Or mine will be changed, but I would rather it be the former
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a 12f normal in this game cannot anti air fast jumps.I've actually played a fair number of Batgirls in tournament now. Eevee is just the only one I've ever lost to and clearly knows the MU better than any of the other ones I've played, hence why I am using him as an example. If I give examples of matches with other Batgirls, I would be talking about very basic stuff, like bait everything and punish and throw out moves in the corner because who the fuck knows what Joker does.
Ah okay. I am terrible at start of the round inputs, so I must be messing it up. Good to know.
We need to play at Summer Jam.
That said, I optimize my combos for meter and resets, so usually it takes me 2 OTGs to take a healthbar and I build 1/2-3/4 the bar I use back during the combo.
You are right about the flying bat beating anything out if I block, but isn't that a mindgame in itself? If I keep blocking instead of pressing a button can't I full combo punish?
I can't say putting BG in the corner happens super often, for as you said, it does require something going wrong for her along the way, but we do have some decent corner carry combos/pressure (Sorry, I still keep forgetting Joker pressure is a myth I propagate)
Also come on Sonic. Right or wrong doesn't even matter at this point; we can't grasp our heads around enough + frames for a safe jump being a good thing, throwing out something like having a decent neutral game could be blasphemy (Although defensively our neutral game is pretty godlike. Offensively, not so much...)
And we have worse 4-6s, but you know what, put it at that. Numbers don't matter enough to bother arguing about. Everyone forgets but the point of this is to share knowledge so that we can all learn better ways to play the MU. Putting a number on it will not help me play the MU.
If you ever get to the corner with more than 1 bar and run out of meter then you are not doing the right combos.
Also even without meter we have stupid stuff in the corner.
Ummmm what? Maybe online, but offline you most definitely can.
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I maintain that it's in part because none of us are anywhere near your level of play, but that rests on me to prove, which I need to keep improving to do. Hopefully by the end of the year I will change your mind (Or mine will be changed, but I would rather it be the former
Huh okay. I guess I'm just magical.
I've thrown them in the Joker chat several times and you guys said they were useless, but I can do so again if you like. That said not posting them outside of that chat for now.
No, you're most likely anticipating the jump. In this game if you want to AA 100% with such a slow move you need to be waiting for the jump.
I want to believe for joker but idk manI've actually played a fair number of Batgirls in tournament now. Eevee is just the only one I've ever lost to and clearly knows the MU better than any of the other ones I've played, hence why I am using him as an example. If I give examples of matches with other Batgirls, I would be talking about very basic stuff, like bait everything and punish and throw out moves in the corner because who the fuck knows what Joker does.
Ah okay. I am terrible at start of the round inputs, so I must be messing it up. Good to know.
We need to play at Summer Jam.
That said, I optimize my combos for meter and resets, so usually it takes me 2 OTGs to take a healthbar and I build 1/2-3/4 the bar I use back during the combo.
You are right about the flying bat beating anything out if I block, but isn't that a mindgame in itself? If I keep blocking instead of pressing a button can't I full combo punish?
I can't say putting BG in the corner happens super often, for as you said, it does require something going wrong for her along the way, but we do have some decent corner carry combos/pressure (Sorry, I still keep forgetting Joker pressure is a myth I propagate)
Also come on Sonic. Right or wrong doesn't even matter at this point; we can't grasp our heads around enough + frames for a safe jump being a good thing, throwing out something like having a decent neutral game could be blasphemy (Although defensively our neutral game is pretty godlike. Offensively, not so much...)
And we have worse 4-6s, but you know what, put it at that. Numbers don't matter enough to bother arguing about. Everyone forgets but the point of this is to share knowledge so that we can all learn better ways to play the MU. Putting a number on it will not help me play the MU.
If you ever get to the corner with more than 1 bar and run out of meter then you are not doing the right combos.
Also even without meter we have stupid stuff in the corner.
Ummmm what? Maybe online, but offline you most definitely can.
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I maintain that it's in part because none of us are anywhere near your level of play, but that rests on me to prove, which I need to keep improving to do. Hopefully by the end of the year I will change your mind (Or mine will be changed, but I would rather it be the former
I could see that, but as I said before, ultimately numbers are worthless. I just strive to learn what I need to in order to attain the only thing that does matter: Setting fools on fire on at victory screen.
Elitist much? I can still provide an opinion/talk about Wonder Woman's tools.
You haven't played the matchup and don't understand things other players tell you for 3 pages, why even bother asking you?
I sometimes do anticipate the jump. It is bad because this hits too low for a full combo. However, you most definitely can react to a BG jump in and AA her as she's coming down from the tip of her jump. This is actually not hard at all.
The funny thing is that while I don't agree with all that Youphemism said, he actually discussed the MU rather than make fun of everyone like we did... Also I can't help but notice that he actually changed his mind on a fair number of things throughout the discussion, including who's favor it is in.
Oh look at you Mr Assumptive, just because I haven't played it much with Batgirl means I haven't played it with Wonder Woman? Quit being so above yourself and realise everyone is allowed to talk about a matchup, especially if everything they're saying comes from doing it/fact, the same way I'm listening to you guys about Joker's options and either suggesting ways around it or respecting that option because I play Batgirl and know what options she has from this side of it. I could ask you the same thing, why should I listen to you? What credentials do you have that I should care about your opinion? The answer is it doesn't matter, you play that character and know their options and have probably been in the lab with it so it's worth listening to you about the matchup.
I said it's difficult afterwards and based on anticipation. You are not really reacting rather than anticipating. There's a difference between having not played the matchup and trying to tell someone who actually has irrelevant things for 3 pages.
I know what you think the MU is but actually would you mind elaborating more on how the MU plays out? If you are experiencing things I don't see then I would love to know about them/be prepared for them before Summer Jam.
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How do you win? Should i use gunshot at all. And what if they teleport away. And she does a lot chip damage and and you can't touch get if trait is on.
Use gunshot to interrupt her shit and trade. If you trade well you can dash. Be ready to punish teleports always and 90% of the time end with crowbar and OTG. Other 10% do a setup.
Is her teleport like Shazam's in that it has crazy invulnerability properties? I was having trouble with that this weekend. Started to switch to crowbar enders and was having more success.