There are like 5017394 different ways to vortex as Zatanna; there really isn't a definitive start and end to her vortex :SSo I was playing a Zatanna and I just need help on when exactly the vortex starts. Like after Mb trance
Well crap. So after MB trance just start blocking and hope for the best?There are like 5017394 different ways to vortex as Zatanna; there really isn't a definitive start and end to her vortex :S
there are certain things you can prepare for:Well crap. So after MB trance just start blocking and hope for the best?
Yep, it ducks push from Martian and lasso spin from wonder woman allowing a full combo punishSo this is old news, but her hitbox while d3'ing is ridiculously low. Easily ducks Harleys mid hitting shot, and the Bola, but the timing is a bit trickier for Bola.
Wonder if it goes under nw staff spin or nw escrima of furyYep, it ducks push from Martian and lasso spin from wonder woman allowing a full combo punish
I try to not let him get close enough to test thisWonder if it goes under nw staff spin or nw escrima of fury
You never know lol he can actually zone her really well in staff and force her to come in but she can continue doing rings, but if she does puppet master and nw blocks he gets to just harass her with gp until she comes inI try to not let him get close enough to test this
Any lag and ground pound is impossible to deal withYou never know lol he can actually zone her really well in staff and force her to come in but she can continue doing rings, but if she does puppet master and nw blocks he gets to just harass her with gp until she comes in
My god.Yep, it ducks push from Martian and lasso spin from wonder woman allowing a full combo punish
Her b1 has the same properties but is harder to time on certain wakeups.My god.
It's 5-5 IMO but i have to play this more, some NW players say she wins, but i think he can handle her zoning really well, and Zatanna struggles up close with good rushdown characters.Nice to find a forum where people arent fighting over matchups lol what do u guys think of zat vs nw? Sorry if u guys have already discussed this but i dont have the time to read 14 pages.
She wins IMO, teleports are a problem for him. fireball, trait and rings are as well, but MB hook charge and trait shots can give her some trouble at determined range, also when he is up close she has a hard time dealing with him. I would say 6-4.Opinions on the Lobo MU?
The timing is kinda hard tho :/ but yeah it's good to know this, i actually use dive kick to dodge the pig, wake ups and other stuff, she lowers her hitbox for a lot of time so it's easier to dodge things.Oh something I should also mention while talking about b1 is against Grundy, you can use b1 to low profile so his cleaver, walking corpse, and trait grab all whiff. It is also known you can do the safe with arachnid sting and fear blast. Much like how Zod and WW can her sweep lets her go under a lot of things. EX: Zod balls, Ares MB fireballs, NW's escrima fury, all of raven's wakeups except teleport, Lanturn's mini-gun, and if timed right, can go under Deathstroke's sword spin. Lastly, against Lex, and if timed right, you can use sweep to avoid Lex probes.
Remember, happiness is just a sweep away. <3The timing is kinda hard tho :/ but yeah it's good to know this, i actually use dive kick to dodge the pig, wake ups and other stuff, she lowers her hitbox for a lot of time so it's easier to dodge things.
I could try, I recently got a new pad and am still adjusting to it.@DarksydeDash Wanna run te nw zat mu sometime? I hardly ever can find good zats since deg doesnt play online
How? I can't see how this is 5-5. Unless I'm just ass, (which is a high probability) I've recently been playing against a NW player and I just can't seem to do anything. His zoning beats her and I can't teleport in otherwise D1 on reaction from him. Not to mention how goddamn impossible her inputs are online, this coming from someone who mained Kabal in MK and had no problems with inputs, even online. Tips please?It's 5-5 IMO but i have to play this more, some NW players say she wins, but i think he can handle her zoning really well, and Zatanna struggles up close with good rushdown characters.
Well from what I've played Nightwing can't zone her at all, use your rings, they will trade with staff ground pound and i think she wins the trade, you can teleport on read to make his ground pounds whiff and punish, use her fullscreen frame traps once in a while, if he is in escrima stance you can zone him perfectly, also uf you have a life lead you can loop her levitate~backward teleport and there's nothing he can do. I think it's 5-5 but i need to play this mu more thoHow? I can't see how this is 5-5. Unless I'm just ass, (which is a high probability) I've recently been playing against a NW player and I just can't seem to do anything. His zoning beats her and I can't teleport in otherwise D1 on reaction from him. Not to mention how goddamn impossible her inputs are online, this coming from someone who mained Kabal in MK and had no problems with inputs, even online. Tips please?
NW has a REALLY shitty time anywhere on the screen that isn't jump distance. His mixups on knockdown are one of his strong points, but Zatanna bypasses them by wake-up teleporting and there isn't much NW can do about it, except dash right into a wake-up multi-kick. It can seem hard once NW gets his ground pounds going but once you learn what to respect, one mb ring is all you need and he is completely fucked in staff stance, he has to take a real beating in order to get into escrima. It seems like most people struggle with the ground pounds, but Zatanna doesn't have to get bullied by it, you just have to know how to gain the zoning advantage. Teleporting in is pretty pointless unless you read a ground pound or wing dings, other than that Zatanna doesn't need to get in, all she has to do is throw rings, trait up and run away.How? I can't see how this is 5-5. Unless I'm just ass, (which is a high probability) I've recently been playing against a NW player and I just can't seem to do anything. His zoning beats her and I can't teleport in otherwise D1 on reaction from him. Not to mention how goddamn impossible her inputs are online, this coming from someone who mained Kabal in MK and had no problems with inputs, even online. Tips please?