If you have the life lead, which you should, why would you ever take a risk when I'm at that range? Your damage output is really good, your zoning is some of the only zoning in the game Doomsday has to deal with besides Sinestro. You have the best walk speed in the game and can abuse the hell out of it in this match up. Every character in the game has to deal with d1 ES after venom, all you have to deal with is a guaranteed d1 that I get literally nothing off of. How am I supposed to make the life deficit back without taking risks or you fucking up? I can't. I don't see any reason why this would be worse than a 4-6 for Raven.
offlinekiller frost 5-5?
hawkgirl 6-4?
what are u on?
Yeah, the KF v DD MU is much easier to play offline for KF players since we can actually block earth shake and parry charge on reaction from basically point blank range.
I'm starting to think the MU hasn't been explored enough. I somewhat agree with him, but I also feel it's still possible to be slightly in her favor.
God that matchup sucks. I'm surprised Wound held it together so well at MLG.
what are you on means drugs.... keep up
I am confused, what are you agreeing with? The MU number with no explanation? Why not wait for an explanation?
He gave somewhat of an explanation in another thread. I'd have to go find it to quote it.
Honestly ive been changing my matchup numbers simply based on who gets out of corner pressure. Seems to be the most important thing in the end. A certain someone in my clan has anti dd tech in the corner that makes it harder to fight people with green skin.
If you are the one that will rely on reads or patience, it's clearly not even.
Yes, she can. Which is why you can't do it all the time. You have to condition the KF player to realize that you're not going to always d1 after a blocked MB Venom. You can sweep or throw afterwards, which blows up their parry attempt.
Yeah but neither does much damage even though both give HKD. I'd assume that's a guessing game with the risk/reward in her favor.
Nothing Doomsday does deals much damage. But if you sweep her, you can set up your oki game, especially if they're wake up happy.
Every character in the game has to deal with a d1 ES attempt after MB venom besides Raven and WW. On both of these characters if they hold back, the best I get is a d1 check guaranteed no interruption or risks involved on my end. Worst case scenario, they backdash and I don't get shit. If I go for the ES on either of these two and they're walking back however, it whiffs and they can both punish me for around 40%. Now I can choose to stop them from walking back by sweeping, but sweep is 11 frames. Therefore they can d1 me out of my sweep, and there's a risk involved. I know that online frames don't really matter so you can get away with shit. But that's how it works offline.
I'm sorry man. This is me being stupid, but when you put 4-6 you mean advantage other character? And 6-4 means advantage Doomsday?
What you just described sounds really bad for the DD player. I understand conditioning people to get options to work in your favor, but trying for a low damage oki setup at the risk of eating full combo into 50-50 if the KF player reads it correctly sounds bad. It is much harder to condition someone who has several options. Also, the DD player should not be able to throw a good KF player out of parry because KF players should be inputting parry as DB 1+3 which will work as an option select to tech DD's throw.
