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Question How is Nightwing bad in the current meta?

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Arez | Booya | Riu48 - Rest Easy, Friends
I don't ever recall losing an extended set to this character as GL. It's also never felt anywhere near 6-4...always worse. and it's felt this way since the beginning of the game's life span.
 

JDM

Warrior
I don't ever recall losing an extended set to this character as GL. It's also never felt anywhere near 6-4...always worse. and it's felt this way since the beginning of the game's life span.
Hey look an actual good GL agrees :3
 

TakeAChance

TYM White Knight
I don't ever recall losing an extended set to this character as GL. It's also never felt anywhere near 6-4...always worse. and it's felt this way since the beginning of the game's life span.
That's a lie. At one point way back you told me it could be even :p

Then you found out about Nightwings limited options with dealing with GL's B13 lol
 

Slips

Feared by dragons. Desired by virgins.
His dash isn't that bad it's his jump that kills me You also said the same thing with bane about zoning.
But i would say his main problem is his whiffing normals.
Btw slips what are you doing about playing injustice right now or are you not playing?
Was I wrong about bane and zoning?

I play when I can.
 
My main curiosity at this time is whether it should be considered worse to have a handful of 4-6's vs mid tier characters or vs the current most complained about chars.

For instance, on the one hand you don't hear complaints about Sinestro, Hawkgirl and Cyborg but NW does. On the other hand you don't hear NW complaining about MMH, Aquaman, Bane and Flash but a lot of other character mains are.

I'm not sure if this is clear but that's the essence. It has nothing to do with being top 8 viable, me learning the MU's or challenging REO or Jupiter.

Edit: To further illustrate my point I can use Batman who everybody knows pretty much 5-5's the entire cast and may be a 4-6 vs MMH and Theo & Forever King claim it is a 3-7 vs Aquaman. Is it better to 5-5 the entire cast and struggle vs the most dominant, and future dominant, character in the game as well as Aquaman? Or simply struggle vs a few mid tiers and loose badly to horrible characters like Cyborg but do rather well vs MMH, Aquaman, Bane, Flash and pretty much 5-5 / 4-6 the rest.

Is the challenged presented to Darth Arma greater when he faces Rico or Theo's Aquaman or when NW players face PPJ's Hawkgirl?
Okay I got you. In my opinion as a NW player I would rather 5-5 everyone else and have those few bad matches with the top tier. With this style of game where everyone is decent you have more character variety than in other fighters, you are going to run in to more characters than Martian and Aquaman. Unless this game turns out to be like mk9 and everybody just starts using Martian and Aqua my opinion will remain the same. I'd much rather be in Batman's situation than with NW's. You are right though, the game could easily change so in that case it's definitely something to think about.
 

macro

Eezeepeezee
Was I wrong about bane and zoning?

I play when I can.
I'm not sure if you were one of the guys that was talking about bane.
But Nightwing should not have that hard of a time with zoning,
he is still going to have to deal with it becuse he is a rushdown character.
 

oP Twist

Unknown Nightwing
I'm not sure if you were one of the guys that was talking about bane.
But Nightwing should not have that hard of a time with zoning,
he is still going to have to deal with it becuse he is a rushdown character.
Not complete rushdown but in that mu yes
 

THTB

Arez | Booya | Riu48 - Rest Easy, Friends
That's a lie. At one point way back you told me it could be even :p

Then you found out about Nightwings limited options with dealing with GL's B13 lol
Yeah, it seemed like it could be at the time because LBSH, it was early, no one was really playing the game THAT well yet. I flip-flopped a lot, too, on it.

But over time I was like "yeah, this is just bad lol".
 

RTM2004

Revenant Jade
People should listen to Fly. Back in the day he used to up play Nightwolf then he accepted that he is a bad character in MK.

The same thing is happening with Nightwing, at least he is honest that this character has flaws and odds are against him.

Cyborg, Green Lantern, Zatanna, Superman, Raven, Hawkgirl, Sinestro, Zod maybe Lex Luthor and Harley Quinn.

Zoning too strong for him plus interactables. Only in another universe, Nightwing is top tier.
 

THTB

Arez | Booya | Riu48 - Rest Easy, Friends
It's weird with NW. When you look at all his talking points, he looks like a decent character. He is +frames everywhere on the screen. His dashes are great. He has a diagonal air projectile. So on and so forth. But then you get into the bad parts about him, and it's like "man, he would be perfect elsewhere, just not here".

IMO he's the most honest character in the game. Like, he's good, but he's just good. There's not really a strong case of bullshit to him. That right there just works against him in this game.
 

Youphemism

Gunslinger since pre patch (sh/out to The Farmer)
Dont you play wowo
Yeah but she's not +18 off of any special and her +14 special can be ducked. Her "frametraps" also have holes to escape/poke out/backdash depending on what strings the WoWo uses. Wonder Woman doesn't have as many plus frames off of her specials or strings, her best normal is her shield stance 2 which is +8 but has 16 frames of startup
 

Dirtylova

YOLO FLYING GRAYSON BICH
People should listen to Fly. Back in the day he used to up play Nightwolf then he accepted that he is a bad character in MK.

The same thing is happening with Nightwing, at least he is honest that this character has flaws and odds are against him.

Cyborg, Green Lantern, Zatanna, Superman, Raven, Hawkgirl, Sinestro, Zod maybe Lex Luthor and Harley Quinn.

Zoning too strong for him plus interactables. Only in another universe, Nightwing is top tier.
Harley v nw 5-5 @Sajam ur thoughts.

Hg and nw 6-4, zatanna vs flying grayson 6-4ish zatty. Sexy lexy? Explain how this mu is in the league of gl's, supes,cyborg,sinestro, raven.

Edit: Yes i read the "maybe".. What is it that makes you think lex could fall under one of the reallly bad mu's he has?
 
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Sajam

Nightwing In Retirement
Yeah but she's not +18 off of any special and her +14 special can be ducked. Her "frametraps" also have holes to escape/poke out/backdash depending on what strings the WoWo uses. Wonder Woman doesn't have as many plus frames off of her specials or strings, her best normal is her shield stance 2 which is +8 but has 16 frames of startup
Am I really reading something about how NW's plus frames are better than WoWo right now.

Holy shit I think I lost.