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a Tier list because its been a while

RexyWrecks

RTSD All Day. I'm going in. No Vaseline.
S tier: MMH, Batgirl, Aquaman
A+: Zod, Batman, Sinestro
A-: Superman, WW, Blackadam, Flash, DD, KillerFrost, GL
B+: Bane, Raven, DS, Zatanna, NW, Catwoman
B-: Grundy, Hawkgirl, Harley, Lex, Shazam
C+: Lobo, Green arrow, scorpion
D: Joker, Cyborg, Ares
Please explain your Batman and DD tier placements.
 

Pan1cMode

AUS FGC represent!
Please explain your Batman and DD tier placements.
I actually agree with the BM placement, so I'll give you my argument;

He has 1 bad MU. That's it. Everything else is either advantage BM or 5-5. There is no reason why he should be lower when he has one of the best MU spreads in the game.

As for DD, I can't comment on that.

I would personally swap DD and Bane, KF and Raven and BG and Zod and I'd agree quite a bit with the rest.
 

ForeverKing

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Can I ask what MUs are bad for BM? Besides AM that is.
Zod and Aquaman beat Batman for sure. Harley gl Bane Martian and others are very hard 5-5's. Batman doesn't beat a single character in this game 7-3 or worse, but there are alot of characters in this game that dominate multiple matchups 7-3 or worse. In my opinion, Flash, WonderWoman, Aquaman, Killer Frost, and MMH don't have a single bad matchup in the game. So how can Batman be placed above these characters?
 

Maasik

Mortal
You know what would help a lot more than 100 tier lists? MU charts for all characters.. and I'm talking well-done, fleshed out charts with explanations not just numbers. I don't remember very many MU charts here that are completely done AND fleshed out with explanations for why the MU is what it is. If we had these, then some form of a tier list could be made.
 

RexyWrecks

RTSD All Day. I'm going in. No Vaseline.
Zod and Aquaman beat Batman for sure. Harley gl Bane Martian and others are very hard 5-5's. Batman doesn't beat a single character in this game 7-3 or worse, but there are alot of characters in this game that dominate multiple matchups 7-3 or worse. In my opinion, Flash, WonderWoman, Aquaman, Killer Frost, and MMH don't have a single bad matchup in the game. So how can Batman be placed above these characters?
I think Lex beats WoWo.
 

Espio

Kokomo
Zod and Aquaman are top tier/top 5, Sinestro and Hawkgirl have losing matchups
ah i didnt know if she got zoned out could deal with it, or if she could deal with his overhead teleport
lol the trollish point being made was that it's not a unique Martian Manhunter quality.

Okay so you're admitting to not knowing yet are 100% certain about his match ups? He may have zero losing or he might have one or two (I don't know honestly and I'm not going to pretend I do or am certain even though I play him).

I haven't played a lot of match ups and plenty of others haven't either, what I do feel confident in saying is he's a great character that can handle the entire roster but beyond that I'm not going to rule in any direction.
 

RexyWrecks

RTSD All Day. I'm going in. No Vaseline.
I don't think so. At all. If anyone beats WoWo, it's gonna be Martian, or Zod, or Aquaman. If neither of those 3 characters beats WoWo, than Lex definitely doesn't
Are you going off of theory or have you thoroughly played the MU?
 

NoobHunter420

Scrub God Lord
Catwoman gives him a run for his money? had no idea that was 5-5.
also youre forgetting to mention the characters that stand no chance against him and that he doesnt lose to anyone and his arsenal of moves is just dumb
again, S tier implies that the top tiers get destroyed by him which is not the case.
he is dumb, but so is bane and shit ton of other characters.
It all depends on who you play.
 

ForeverKing

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dude youre sounding like cowboy :p
Sinestro isn't in the possible top 5 discussion either. I'm not saying Batman sucks I'm just saying he isn't in the possible top 5 discussion :p

You don't understand how irritating it is to see people say "Batman is possible top 3 bro" Or "Batman is the best character in the game, real talk"

Those people that say those things could pick Batman against me while I'm using like 5 different characters and they would probably get 10-o'd by each character lol
 

SkaGoogle

Tailgates & Tan-lines !
bad tier list, no explanation on why certain characters are placed in their tiers. like why is zatanna B tier? have you sat down and played against a high level zatanna for hours? do you know all of zatanna's match ups that you are qualified to put her there? Also how in the hell can you put mmh as s+ tier when he possibly loses to doomsday and batgirl?aren't s+ tier is reserved for broken characters. I bet some of these matchups you've never even seen before like bane vs cyborg. Now come back when you can give a detailed description on why these characters are where they are then we can discuss xD oh yeah and you have way too many tiers by the way.
 

RexyWrecks

RTSD All Day. I'm going in. No Vaseline.
mann dont take this the wrong way but really dont feel like making a long explanation..
Simply batman trait/ possibilities
DD effective simplicity
I agree somewhat, I think DD is good in a 2/3 tournament setting.
 

THTB

Arez | Booya | Riu48 - Rest Easy, Friends
I don't know why turbine keeps coming up. I'm pretty sure I said its useless to him in this matchup...

and alterting timing doesnt really mean you hit KF. at full screen, they'll both whiff...
Whoever said I would always be full-screen, though? Killer Frost isn't that difficult for GL to advance on.

Turbine has no real neutral-game purpose for GL in this matchup, which is why nobody even understood why it was brought up. Everyone knew that, and it's not really a game changer that it's not.
 

Hanzer0

Wanna order chinese later?
Cheese and rice! Thread title says it all. I think tym should just admit to discussing "character power rankings" rather than trying to act like we have all the answers.