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Espio

Espio

Kokomo
Fred Marvel said:
Catwoman gives him a run for his money? had no idea that was 5-5.
also youre forgetting to mention the characters that stand no chance against him and that he doesnt lose to anyone and his arsenal of moves is just dumb
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It's a good thing Zod and Aquaman don't body some characters too, so does Sinestro and Hawkgirl...lol. Also, she does do good, her armor, evasive hitbox and general design give her a good check to him and his zoning and she can full combo punish push with cat stance. I wanna get into more but it's not like people would be open really.
 
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Phosferrax

Phosferrax

Original Liu Kang cop.
Doombawkz said:
People see Batgirl in the top 5 because despite her MU numbers, 99% of the cast has to guess right or wrong.
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There is soooo much room for development in the Batgirl MU, both for and against her. I don't think anyone can have a really solid idea of that MU yet, not from what I've seen so far. Watching final round I saw so many things that Sonic Fox was doing that were a bit dodgey, at least to my limited knowledge of her.
 
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Fred Marvel

It's actually Freddy Marvel
Espio said:
It's a good thing Zod and Aquaman don't body some characters too, so does Sinestro and Hawkgirl...lol. Also, she does do good, her armor, evasive hitbox and general design give her a good check to him and his zoning and she can full combo punish push with cat stance. I wanna get into more but it's not like people would be open really.
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Zod and Aquaman are top tier/top 5, Sinestro and Hawkgirl have losing matchups
ah i didnt know if she got zoned out could deal with it, or if she could deal with his overhead teleport
 
Doombawkz

Doombawkz

Trust me, I'm a doctor
Phosferrax said:
There is soooo much room for development in the Batgirl MU, both for and against her. I don't think anyone can have a really solid idea of that MU yet, not from what I've seen so far. Watching final round I saw so many things that Sonic Fox was doing that were a bit dodgey, at least to my limited knowledge of her.
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That's just sonic fox. Dude could make Bane even more yolo than usual
 
Breakin Wordzz

Breakin Wordzz

Best Rengar NA, also ares of world
Peckapowa said:
i think he is, he can't be zoned and has the best space control tools in the game, controls all interactables, and has excellent pressure and is extremely good on knockdown and a top 5 wakeup game, and top martians haven't maxed out his potential, the orbs are an amazing tool and his zoning is very good, he is a super character with no weakness, but to unlock his potential a player has to understand zoning fundamentals
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u forgot he literally has the 5 best anti airs in the game.
 
Peckapowa

Peckapowa

Champion
Relaxedstate said:
No way lol. 10!?

I do honestly think Cyborg could be the worst in the game, but the thing is 'being the worst' doesn't mean much in a balanced game. That is why it could seem like he is around the 15th spot with a bunch of other characters.

His design is just blah. Really the only way he wins is by chip damage and throws. It is rough in a game dominated by 50-50 resets into 40-50% damage and where everyone seemingly has good counter-zoning or a teleport, or a parry/evade.

Cyborg has no mix-up and no way to open up his opponent (not that his damage is great w/o meter or B3). Thus the best thing to do with his + frames is to run away (unless you are near the corner). Did you know that almost all his strings are full combo interruptible? J2,1,(here)2, b2 ; 11(here)2; d1(here)SD ; f22 and b1 are not true mids with poor range and 90% of his string can be avoided or made to wiff by walking back since the range is so poor.

Also his groundfireball is -20ish, but people get confused since his iafb is +2 and it can be hard to differentiate them at first. Missiles are a gimmick since they have slow startup and literally point to where they will go. Their splash hitbox is also surprisingly small if more people would lab it and find that they can easily avoid them. All his zoning can be avoided on reaction with practice thus effectively taking 0% damage and very minimal chip. It is just patience and experience people lack.

He is fun as hell, but only in certain MUs (Batman, Superman, NW, Grundy, GL, Lex, Black Adam) others are not too bad, he has a lot of 4-6s. But is his amount of potential 3-7s that really make him a true in the blue fish.

IMO Zod, MMH, WW, BG are some of the uncontested best in the game. They are amazing lol
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he is a monster in the corner
 
Peckapowa

Peckapowa

Champion
iloveTSA said:
A+: Martian Manhunter
A: Zod (probably A+ in the future, because this character has crazy tech potential), Aquaman, Batgirl, Batman, Wonder Woman
B: Superman, Flash, Black Adam, Bane, Doomsday, Raven, Sinestro, Zatanna, Harley Quinn
C: Green Lantern, Killer Frost, Green Arrow, Nightwing, Catwoman, Lex Luthor, Solomon Grundy, Deathstroke, Shazam, Lobo, Hawkgirl
D: Joker, Cyborg, Ares, Scorpion

^ As good as any other tier list and the funny part is, I have no fucking clue but like I said I'm not the only one.
This community is so tier list horny. So why don't we, the community, agree on a official one? Or is it too early still?

Well it doesn't really matter anyways.
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green lantern is a far superior character to shazam, i also feel deathstroke should be moved up a tier, and possibly catwoman, they arefar superior to the rest of that tier
 
Peckapowa

Peckapowa

Champion
xInfra Deadx said:
No one else has a bigger variety of counterpicks than Cyborg does.
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lex luthor = zod (2-8 imo at the highest level), sinestro (bad bad bad), superman, deathstroke, cyborg, batman, flash

shazam= loses deathstroke, zod, martian manhunter, batman, superman, green lantern, nightwing most likely aquaman, sinestro, possibly lobo, black adam, raven, and green arrow, i don't give a fuck if people in texas are garbage against this character, hes not that good, only good on knockdown, can't compete in the footsie game

joker loses hard to zod, sinestro, green arrow, deahtstroke, martian manhunter, raven, bane, aquaman, probably flash and doomsday, and wonderwoman probably more

green lantern: batgirl, zod, martian manhunter, sinestro, zatanna, raven

lots of chars have cpicks
 
Relaxedstate

Relaxedstate

PTH|RM Relaxedstate
Peckapowa said:
he is a monster in the corner
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A zoning character that has a good corner game. Great design logic lol. Such dramatic irony...

Also his corner game is sligtly above average in this game. He has no real mixup to open someone up, so if you block low, you will never be launched. (or just interrupt his strings before...).

Furthermore he only does 50ish % with 2 bars and his vortex is fairly simple to block if the person labs it out. Other characters have infinitely superior corner games that deal more damage for less meter, have 33/33/33 options, reverse wakeups, have real resets and mixups ect ect ect.

People don't get him, so they think he has underdeveloped/hidden potential. They are surprised, but really I just body people for being lazy and not going to the lab, which is 80% of the community.

Trust me Cyborg is a bill. It infuriates me to no end how bad he got shafted in this game, and I delusionally up-played him for months. Almost no one can play him well or how they are supposed too. There is still a lot of things that can be developed with him tech and MU wise and I will still support him and people that want to play him..... But he is shit out side his good MUs, and VERY easily heavy counter picked.
 
dribirut

dribirut

BLAK FELOW
S tier: MMH, Batgirl, Aquaman
A+: Zod, Batman, Sinestro
A-: Superman, WW, Blackadam, Flash, DD, KillerFrost, GL
B+: Bane, Raven, DS, Zatanna, NW, Catwoman
B-: Grundy, Hawkgirl, Harley, Lex, Shazam
C+: Lobo, Green arrow, scorpion
D: Joker, Cyborg, Ares
 
Peckapowa

Peckapowa

Champion
Relaxedstate said:
A zoning character that has a good corner game. Great design logic lol. Such dramatic irony...

Also his corner game is sligtly above average in this game. He has no real mixup to open someone up, so if you block low, you will never be launched. (or just interrupt his strings before...).

Furthermore he only does 50ish % with 2 bars and his vortex is fairly simple to block if the person labs it out. Other characters have infinitely superior corner games that deal more damage for less meter, have 33/33/33 options, reverse wakeups, have real resets and mixups ect ect ect.

People don't get him, so they think he has underdeveloped/hidden potential. They are surprised, but really I just body people for being lazy and not going to the lab, which is 80% of the community.

Trust me Cyborg is a bill. It infuriates me to no end how bad he got shafted in this game, and I delusionally up-played him for months. Almost no one can play him well or how they are supposed too. There is still a lot of things that can be developed with him tech and MU wise and I will still support him and people that want to play him..... But he is shit out side his good MUs, and VERY easily heavy counter picked.
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believe me i have made the same arguments, about cyborg having awful footsies, and being one dimensional, but i think his frame trap game is underrated midscreen and yes its kidn of counter-intuitive to run away and have a good corner game, i used to say he was awful, but i realize now with perfect execution he can be super strong however bland in the neutral game vs a lot of characters, i don't think this game was balanced and i think cyborg was designed extremely awfully
 
Peckapowa

Peckapowa

Champion
dribirut said:
S tier: MMH, Batgirl, Aquaman
A+: Zod, Batman, Sinestro
A-: Superman, WW, Blackadam, Flash, DD, KillerFrost, GL
B+: Bane, Raven, DS, Zatanna, NW, Catwoman
B-: Grundy, Hawkgirl, Harley, Lex, Shazam
C+: Lobo, Green arrow, scorpion
D: Joker, Cyborg, Ares
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replace zod with batgirl and move ww up to a+and kfrost down and i ll be happy :p

but really i think that batgirl is somewhat overrated the risk-reward on her cartwheel is bad and her dash spped and footsie tools aren't as competitive as other characters
 
Doombawkz

Doombawkz

Trust me, I'm a doctor
dribirut said:
S tier: MMH, Batgirl, Aquaman
A+: Zod, Batman, Sinestro
A-: Superman, WW, Blackadam, Flash, DD, KillerFrost, GL
B+: Bane, Raven, DS, Zatanna, NW, Catwoman
B-: Grundy, Hawkgirl, Harley, Lex, Shazam
C+: Lobo, Green arrow, scorpion
D: Joker, Cyborg, Ares
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The characters in red probably aren't better than Bane. Jussayin.
 
Relaxedstate

Relaxedstate

PTH|RM Relaxedstate
Peckapowa said:
believe me i have made the same arguments, about cyborg having awful footsies, and being one dimensional, but i think his frame trap game is underrated midscreen and yes its kidn of counter-intuitive to run away and have a good corner game, i used to say he was awful, but i realize now with perfect execution he can be super strong however bland in the neutral game vs a lot of characters, i don't think this game was balanced and i think cyborg was designed extremely awfully
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Yeah :(,
I mean I actually think Cyborg has great footsies and sweet frame traps. But The problem is that he gets nothing out of it :X The real point of having good footsies/spacing, is to put/open the opponent up in a compromising situation where they will make mistakes or become vulnerable to taking damage (via wiff punishing or having to block a 50/50). Can't win if you cant open them, no matter how good your frame advantage/footsies are

IDK though, what do you do with his frame traps?

Normals do no chip damage, and he often has to spend meter on IANB (MB) to safely get 2% chip lol
 
Peckapowa

Peckapowa

Champion
Relaxedstate said:
Yeah :(,
I mean I actually think Cyborg has great footsies and sweet frame traps. But The problem is that he gets nothing out of it :X The real point of having good footsies/spacing, is to put the opponent in a compromising situation where they will make mistakes or become vulnerable to taking damage (via wiff punishing or having to block a 50/50).

IDK though, what do you do with his frame traps?

Normals do no chip damage, and he often has to spend meter on IANB (MB) to safely get 2% chip lol
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its from playing my 12 year old friend kinectic balding, i've started armoring out of d1 push thing, he does a lot of f22 d1 and mixing in on other strings, im starting to agree with you the risk reward is bad on it
 
dribirut

dribirut

BLAK FELOW
Peckapowa said:
replace zod with batgirl and move ww up to a+and kfrost down and i ll be happy :p

but really i think that batgirl is somewhat overrated the risk-reward on her cartwheel is bad and her dash spped and footsie tools aren't as competitive as other characters
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imo batgirl is the ugliest, most braindead, un interesting, dumb character design i have ever seen in any fighting game
 
Peckapowa

Peckapowa

Champion
Relaxedstate said:
Yeah :(,
I mean I actually think Cyborg has great footsies and sweet frame traps. But The problem is that he gets nothing out of it :X The real point of having good footsies/spacing, is to put/open the opponent up in a compromising situation where they will make mistakes or become vulnerable to taking damage (via wiff punishing or having to block a 50/50). Can't win if you cant open them, no matter how good your frame advantage/footsies are

IDK though, what do you do with his frame traps?

Normals do no chip damage, and he often has to spend meter on IANB (MB) to safely get 2% chip lol
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its obnoxious for some chars to deal with but if you are patient its not bad, its better than i thought i used ot think cyborg was awful, he really mixes it up well.
 
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