a Tier list because its been a while

[Vak Phoenix]

I'd also say this is either an even matchup, or slightly in Frosts favor. For most of the reasons listed earlier.

Yes turbine is useless in this matchup, but its also his primary way of getting in. If GL if forced to stay full screen, this gives KF plenty of chances to charge trait. If GL wants to play with jump rockets, KF can attempt to time daggers at full screen SAFELY (and if they hit, MB Iceberg to start vortex), or again charge trait. - giving her even more of an advantage ONCE she is in.

Yes B1,3 or 2 are both parryable. If KF picks up on the fact that you are not finishing your combo and instead spamming B1, they are punishable (at close distance) and you will stop doing that pretty quickly. I also do not believe he can get anything off just a B1 besides whatever small damage it does.

His post slide game is pretty good, but she always has MBF3 Other than that, yes she is better off blocking and teching throws. But after a teched throw or a blocked LM or B1, we're right back where we started.

That's my 2 cents. Not an expert in the MU at all. But in my experience, its fair or slightly in her favor

he said it too... see

 

[Pan1cMode]

Honestly, how do you know all those characters match up spreads? Most people don't know all their mains match ups yet must less other characters beyond conjecture and speculation.

I can check what the successful players of each of those characters says there MUs are. I personally don't know anyone's MUs in detail besides BG, Zatanna and KFs.

 

[Doombawkz]

That's kinda the problem against MMH, BM and AM. Also you basically agreed with me so not arguing with you haha =D

You know my stance on it all, but I'm not really partial. Bane is viable, I accomplished what I set out to do during the first few months, so I'm considering myself retired from the whole business.

 

[Mr. Mileena]

Zatanna is probably B+ tier, but I'm okay where she's at in your list though.

 

[Vak Phoenix]

I can check what the successful players of each of those characters says there MUs are. I personally don't know anyone's MUs in detail besides BG, Zatanna and KFs.

ok ur cyborg, zod, and bane mu against frost.
mine are 7-3 cyborg wins, 6-4 zod wins, 5.5-4.5 bane wins.
cyborg... cant get in with him cause of grapple move... and his iamb nb.
zod.. well his trait...
bane... hm i mean horrible when im in corner with him and his venom is on 3... and that d1... and slide is very risky imo

 

[Pan1cMode]

ok ur cyborg, zod, and bane mu against frost.
mine are 7-3 cyborg wins, 6-4 zod wins, 5.5-4.5 bane wins.
cyborg... cant get in with him cause of grapple move... and his iamb nb.
zod.. well his trait...
bane... hm i mean horrible when im in corner with him and his venom is on 3... and that d1... and slide is very risky imo

I have 4-6, 5-5 (although it is hard and must be played super patiently) and 5-5.

I can see where you're coming from though, I just don't think they're that drastic.

 

[Skkra]

Shazam is low tier, Digit is just godlike.

According to your list...
B Lower Mid Tier - Zatanna, Harley Quinn, Lex Luthor, Solomon Grundy
C Low Tier - Ares, Shazam, Green Arrow, Nightwing, Scorpion, Catwoman

There are multiple characters in here (Zat, Harley, Shazam, Cat) with players who are consistently achieving great results with them. So ALL of those are low tier, and ALL of those players are just godlike? Maybe, just maaaaybe, most of the cast is solid/viable. A solid player can take a solid character all the way to the top.

The list should probably be simplified to
REALLY GOOD TIER: A handful
SOLID AND VIABLE TIER: Vast majority
NOT PROVEN VIABLE YET TIER: Small minority

 

[Espio]

I can check what the successful players of each of those characters says there MUs are. I personally don't know anyone's MUs in detail besides BG, Zatanna and KFs.

That's my point, it's all speculation. Multiple high level reps don't all agree on every match up so claiming to know isn't being realistic. Match ups are not set in stone. I also read Batman and Flash Mains claiming Batgirl is better so...whose right? Clearly this opinion of Batgirl having a less good match up spread isn't exactly a consensus based assessment. It's just speculation and too early to say.

 

[MidTierHarley]

yeah... i am cause of his name tag... i am not coming off like OH NO THIS IS THIS THIS IS THAT. no.. its just my personal experience... what ive dealt with. u see that people learn your stuff... change it up. besides he asked how frost players felt about gl vs frost... thats what i said...

he can play gl.. good for him... the more characters the better i guess..? anyways.. he said it himself... that maybe he hasnt played really good frosts... enough of this!

imo kf gl. 6-4, 5.5-4.5, you may agree or disagree... just like hawkgirl being a higher tier than cw in the 1st post...

Just because

I'd also say this is either an even matchup, or slightly in Frosts favor. For most of the reasons listed earlier.

Yes turbine is useless in this matchup, but its also his primary way of getting in. If GL if forced to stay full screen, this gives KF plenty of chances to charge trait. If GL wants to play with jump rockets, KF can attempt to time daggers at full screen SAFELY (and if they hit, MB Iceberg to start vortex), or again charge trait. - giving her even more of an advantage ONCE she is in.

Yes B1,3 or 2 are both parryable. If KF picks up on the fact that you are not finishing your combo and instead spamming B1, they are punishable (at close distance) and you will stop doing that pretty quickly. I also do not believe he can get anything off just a B1 besides whatever small damage it does.

His post slide game is pretty good, but she always has MBF3 Other than that, yes she is better off blocking and teching throws. But after a teched throw or a blocked LM or B1, we're right back where we started.

That's my 2 cents. Not an expert in the MU at all. But in my experience, its fair or slightly in her favor

I still dont get why GL has to turbine he can just walk in. I think its very even because it comes to down to who has the life lead but both characters have trouble opening each other up.Agian its all about who gets the lifelead.

 

[ForeverKing]

S+ - Broken - Martian Manhunter
S - Broken but not Martian - Zod
A+ Top Tier - Aquaman, Batgirl, Batman, Wonder Woman, Superman, Flash, Black Adam
A High Tier - Bane
B+ Upper Mid Tier - Doomsday, Raven Sinestro, Green Lantern, Deathstroke, Killer Frost, Lobo, Hawkgirl
B Lower Mid Tier - Zatanna, Harley Quinn, Lex Luthor, Solomon Grundy
C Low Tier - Ares, Shazam, Green Arrow, Nightwing, Scorpion, Catwoman
Joker Tier - Joker
Useless Tier - Cyborg

I say move Aquaman up to S-
Move Batman and Black Adam to A
Move Sinestro and Killer Frost up to A
Move Zatanna and Harley Quinn up to B+ (or possibly even A)
Move Cyborg and Joker up to C

Now you have a pretty accurate tier list

 

[Groove Heaven]

I'm gonna dump my shitty list here cuz whatever

http://www.mmcafe.com/tiermaker/injustice/index_customize.html?tc=ya0-trdy70kr70ip70hfcpdy4ygj70li9bhfeud8euhd9be1h2909bf89bgej4jkcpjg9bfbcpb19bbx70d49b6z9b9u70nk9bfbeud8cpbw4ygj4ygfh1ip4yb5cp-bkf-naGroove Heaven-tiTier Chart for Injustice-ct999999-c1000000-c2000000-tvFF7101-thDD3C3C-d1Top Tier-x110-d2Low tier-x210-d3Shittier-x310-d4Better-x410

 

[Tony at Home]

lmaooooooooo this was good
also do you honestly think GL is as good as Batman and/or Aquaman? like seriously?

Me? No. Im not a top player, and dont make tier lists myself accordingly. Just other top players with actual experience to back up their opinions.

 

[Braindead]

would you (or anyone else) care to say/show how catwoman is so good then? and please dont say something stupid like "she got top 8 at this tournament"

When I said she got top 8 I don't mean she's a top tier character, I just meant she's viable and you said she isn't.
Try understanding before you reply.

 

[Madog32]

Just because

I still dont get why GL has to turbine he can just walk in. I think its very even because it comes to down to who has the life lead but both characters have trouble opening each other up.Agian its all about who gets the lifelead.

walking is slow. at full screen, she will still get a decent amount of trait built and can dash backwards

Also if you're walking, you're not blocking Iceberg or Slide

Not saying its heavily in one toons advantage. Its a pretty fair fight. I just feel like there are more situations that are neutral or at KF minor advantage, and coupled with her vortex and higher chance of having trait filled up, she has a lot of potential damage output in this fight

 

[Fred Marvel]

Me? No. Im not a top player, and dont make tier lists myself accordingly. Just other top players with actual experience to back up their opinions.

being a top player = your opinion is right and nobody else can be? ok lol

When I said she got top 8 I don't mean she's a top tier character, I just meant she's viable and you said she isn't.
Try understanding before you reply.

thats not what i meant either lol and a character placing doesnt mean the character is good, if you think bracketology and lack of matchup knowledge have nothing to do with it, you just might be a bit foolish

 

[Fred Marvel]

I'm gonna dump my shitty list here cuz whatever

http://www.mmcafe.com/tiermaker/injustice/index_customize.html?tc=ya0-trdy70kr70ip70hfcpdy4ygj70li9bhfeud8euhd9be1h2909bf89bgej4jkcpjg9bfbcpb19bbx70d49b6z9b9u70nk9bfbeud8cpbw4ygj4ygfh1ip4yb5cp-bkf-naGroove Heaven-tiTier Chart for Injustice-ct999999-c1000000-c2000000-tvFF7101-thDD3C3C-d1Top Tier-x110-d2Low tier-x210-d3Shittier-x310-d4Better-x410

this is a good list

I say move Aquaman up to S-
Move Batman and Black Adam to A
Move Sinestro and Killer Frost up to A
Move Zatanna and Harley Quinn up to B+ (or possibly even A)
Move Cyborg and Joker up to C

Now you have a pretty accurate tier list

i can see all those changed being good except Batman he stays A+

 

[NYCj360]

i just game in to see where you put GL, and to no surprise he was inserted into a mid tier, i also believe that most of the community has come to a general consensus that there aren't that many tiers in this game, its more like S tier, top tier, mid tier and possibly low tier. Gl would be in the top tier right under the really really good characters. He's definitely better than mid

 

[Breakin Wordzz]

This game is balanced for the most part
Only a few messed up match ups here and there, and a couple of just garbage characters.

The game just lacks a balanced footsie/anti airing mechanic. That's all. If they fixed that this game would be a lot more competitive than it is, and maybe more alive!

lol another new account?

 

[Fred Marvel]

i just game in to see where you put GL, and to no surprise he was inserted into a mid tier, i also believe that most of the community has come to a general consensus that there aren't that many tiers in this game, its more like S tier, top tier, mid tier and possibly low tier. Gl would be in the top tier right under the really really good characters. He's definitely better than mid

i can agree with everything but the last 2 sentences

 

[THTB]

This GL talk...

KF doesn't beat GL. She can parry, but hey, knock yourself out with that. Go ahead. I'll just stagger when you least expect it and bam 42-46% gone.

Why does GL need to use turbine again...? And if you are sitting there trying to time daggers to my jumps, then you are in for a rude surprise when you come across a GL that will alter his timings and make it extremely difficult to do.

GL has one of the best post-slide options in the game, bar none. The only character that is really better there is Aquaman. You still have to respect b1, because it shuts down pretty much every option. And even if she has parry, he's capable of baiting it out, and punishing her for it. And a landed parry is 2 bars for a reset with any actual damage. Plus if she runs out of meter, there's no real scare to the parry anymore.

The matchup is even.

 

[Laos_boy]

Killer frost is over rated tbh....
That doesnt mean she isnt good.

Her damgage output is good. Only if someone can master the just frame grab.

Yes slide destroys footies... but thats on the ground. Now lets move to the air where her air dash is slow and her fastest air normal is 9f.
Now lets name characters that have better air control. Zod, martian, cyborg, harley, raven, deathstroke, black adam, green lantern, wowo(maybe), zatanna, hawkgirl and more. But frost does go up the tier list in ground control. But against charcter who can compete with her on the ground and beat her in the air it can be hard.

 

[NoobHunter420]

isn't S tier for characters that dominate most/all the cast?
martian is good, but he goes even with a lot of characters.
doomsday,flash,bane,batman,catwoman and many more give mhh a run for his money.
that's 5 or more close to even match-ups, that doesn't look like an S tier character to me.

 

[Madog32]

This GL talk...

KF doesn't beat GL. She can parry, but hey, knock yourself out with that. Go ahead. I'll just stagger when you least expect it and bam 42-46% gone.

Why does GL need to use turbine again...? And if you are sitting there trying to time daggers to my jumps, then you are in for a rude surprise when you come across a GL that will alter his timings and make it extremely difficult to do.

GL has one of the best post-slide options in the game, bar none. The only character that is really better there is Aquaman. You still have to respect b1, because it shuts down pretty much every option. And even if she has parry, he's capable of baiting it out, and punishing her for it. And a landed parry is 2 bars for a reset with any actual damage. Plus if she runs out of meter, there's no real scare to the parry anymore.

The matchup is even.

I don't know why turbine keeps coming up. I'm pretty sure I said its useless to him in this matchup...

and alterting timing doesnt really mean you hit KF. at full screen, they'll both whiff...

 

[Fred Marvel]

isn't S tier for characters that dominate most/all the cast?
martian is good, but he goes even with a lot of characters.
doomsday,flash,bane,batman,catwoman and many more give mhh a run for his money.
that's 5 or more close to even match-ups, that doesn't look like an S tier character to me.

Catwoman gives him a run for his money? had no idea that was 5-5.
also youre forgetting to mention the characters that stand no chance against him and that he doesnt lose to anyone and his arsenal of moves is just dumb

 

[Mighty Durpyena]

Lol Catwoman and Joker Bottom 3.