Incredibly difficult logic problem.

[RockTravHardpl8z]

I would just simply ask them "Untold riches split 4 ways, who's in" The rest is history, bring on the mead and boars, we celebrate.

The moral of the story is not to be logically sound when facing life-altering predicament or is it?!

 

[Euphoric]

Meter Burn Back 3 em.

 

[RockTravHardpl8z]

Meter Burn Back 3 em.

They'll bounce back.

 

[Pan1cMode]

I would ask them all, "If I wanted to be rich, would the other guards advice me to take the left path?

(If left is the safe path to take)
The truthful one would always answer NO (meaning the others would advise me to take the wrong path, right) because they would lie and tell me to take the right direction.
The liars would say NO (because the truthful one would say yes it is the left one, but the liars would say no to fool you), because the truthful one would tell them the left path, but they don't want you to know that.

In this case, they all answered either Da or Ba, meaning the left path is safe.

Or if the correct path is the right one in the long run, and you ask the same question

The truthful one would say YES (because he is letting you know they want you to die)

The liars would say NO( because the truthful one would say YES, but they trick you into thinking the truthful one is the liar!)

So if you think the left lane is the correct choice, ALL MUST SAY DA or BA as a whole.

If you think the left lane is the correct choice, and you have one DA and one BA or a mix of both, then take the opposite path!!!

All same answer = safe path

different anwers= change the direction based on how you worded it (if you said right, go left, if you said left, go right_

@Pan1cMode I know i got it right now

@Mr. Mileena , your answer is sound .

Your proposed solution as I understand it:
Question 1:
Do you always lie?
(The answer will always be no; this tells you what Da and Ba mean)

Question 2:
If I wanted to be rich, would the guard who always lies advise me to go down the left path?
(An answer of yes indicates you should take the right oath. An answer of no means you should take the left path.)


This works perfectly =D



My solution is slightly different and only requires 1 question.

Ask any of the guards;

"In your current mental state, if I were to ask you, does the left path lead to riches, would you reply with Da?

An answer of Da means you take the left path. An answer of Da means you take the right path.

 

[Mr. Mileena]

@Mr. Mileena , your answer is sound .

Your proposed solution as I understand it:
Question 1:
Do you always lie?
(The answer will always be no; this tells you what Da and Ba mean)

Question 2:
If I wanted to be rich, would the guard who always lies advise me to go down the left path?
(An answer of yes indicates you should take the right oath. An answer of no means you should take the left path.)


This works perfectly =D



My solution is slightly different and only requires 1 question.

Ask any of the guards;

"If I were to ask you, does the left path lead to riches, would you reply with Da?

An answer of Da means you take the left path. An answer of Da means you take the right path.

Yeah, mine consists of only one question, the one where I tagged you .

yay im not a dumb bimbo afterall lol

 

[Doombawkz]

Yeah, mine consists of only one question, the one where I tagged you .

yay im not a dumb bimbo afterall lol

That big sexy brain

 

[Pan1cMode]

Yeah, mine consists of only one question, the one where I tagged you .

yay im not a dumb bimbo afterall lol

That doesn't quite work without knowing what Da and Ba mean. You could potentially have two liars or two truth tellers. Even if they all answer the same (Da) that doesn't mean your path is safe, because you don't know what Da and Ba mean.


UPDATED OP with an answer.

EDIT:

Going through your solution further,

"If I wanted to be rich would the other guards advise me to go down the left path?"

Truth: answers randomly (he does not know how the random would answer)
Liar: answers randomly (he does not know how the random would answer)

 

[Mr. Mileena]

That doesn't quite work without knowing what Da and Ba mean. You could potentially have two liars or two truth tellers. Even if they all answer the same (Da) that doesn't mean your path is safe, because you don't know what Da and Ba mean.


UPDATED OP with an answer.

but it doesn't matter because based on the outcome, they must all say the samething.

As you posted in the clue, you dont need to know what Da and Ba means.

As long as it's all in majority, the way you worded your question will be verified.
If there are different answers, the way you worded your question means it's not the right path

 

[Pan1cMode]

but it doesn't matter because based on the outcome, they must all say the samething.

As you posted in the clue, you dont need to know what Da and Ba means.

As long as it's all in majority, the way you worded your question will be verified.
If there are different answers, the way you worded your question means it's not the right path

The liar and the truth teller answer randomly because they cannot know whether or not the random guard would answer truthfully or with a lie. You must specify which guard for your solution to work, and then you must know what Da and Ba means to elicit what their responses mean. This is unless you rephrase your question to include some kind of presupposed response (eg. would you/they answer Ba?)

 

[Mr. Mileena]

But it doesn't matter what role the guard chooses.

The answer will always be the same in the unified version (all saying no.)
3 Da's or 3 ba's
and he doesn't even matter in the different response version, because you have the truth one, 3and the liar one. You might have 2 Da's and 1 Ba, or 1 Da and 2 Ba's same thing


@Pan1cMode

 

[Pan1cMode]

But it doesn't matter what role the guard chooses.

The answer will always be the same in the unified version (all saying no.)
3 Da's or 3 ba's
and he doesn't even matter in the different response version, because you have the truth one, 3and the liar one. You might have 2 Da's and 1 Ba, or 1 Da and 2 Ba's same thing


@Pan1cMode

But it does matter lol, you can't ellicit a meaningful response.

Lets say the truth teller is asked first, he replies randomly because he can't know how the random will reply. (Let's say Da)
Likewise, the liar will be forced to reply randomly. (Let's say Ba)
The random is now conflicted. Regardless of whether or not he answers truthfully of falsely, both guards answered differently. His answer will too be completely random. It is not in any way related to your question. You are reduced to making a guess.

Even in the case of a uniform answer you are unsure whether or not they are saying da(yes) or da(no). Which means you need more questions to deduce which path you should take.

 

[RockTravHardpl8z]

I was kinda hoping them guards would join me to the life of riches, oh well...whatever suits them.
Srsly tho, this had me thinking for a very long period of time. Good stuff, cheers @Pan1cMode

 

[coolwhip]

Except I did have it right, as the obvious rules only said I needed to ask one question of each to ascertain the answer with the risk of being lied to. He only put in the second clause after a few people found solutions through gestures.

Except you didn't. The OP clearly states that you don't understand their language, and they can only answer by BA and DA. I honestly felt more irritated with everyone complete ignoring of the OP (and trying to "solve" it their own way, which defeats the purpose) than I was with how fucking difficult this question is.

 

[Doombawkz]

Except you didn't. The OP clearly states that you don't understand their language, and they can only answer by BA and DA. I honestly felt more irritated with everyone complete ignoring of the OP (and trying to "solve" it their own way, which defeats the purpose) than I was with how fucking difficult this question is.

The OP didn't originally say "they can only answer Ba and Da". That was added around the 2nd page after I already solved it.

To be fair, I only added that last clause just then. Although I'd never thought of using gestures to solve the puzzle.

The answer however does not require this.

I don't need to know their language if I don't make them speak. Pointing is universal, and they understand me so that solves the other language barrier.

 

[input]

Hahaha, this whole time I didn't realize I misread the OP and just now saw that it said that there are only 2 paths. In any case though how can the liar say the same thing as the truth teller and still have it count towards it being part of the answer?
Both the yes, yes, no and no, no, yes scenario cancel each other out (where the last no and yes of the aforementioned is said by the random guard) because logically speaking the liar is always going to say the opposite of the truth teller. Otherwise he loses his role as a liar. Unless there is something I'm not seeing, it seems both yes and no are equal.

 

[Pan1cMode]

Hahaha, this whole time I didn't realize I misread the OP and just now saw that it said that there are only 2 paths. In any case though how can the liar say the same thing as the truth teller and still have it count towards it being part of the answer?
Both the yes, yes, no and no, no, yes scenario cancel each other out because logically speaking the liar is always going to say the opposite of the truth teller. Otherwise he loses his role as a liar. Unless there is something I'm not seeing, it seems both yes and no are equal.

You can word a question such that they both reply the same

For example; "Would you reply with yes if I asked does 2+2 =4?"

The truth teller will reply yes to the question "does two plus two = 4" so their answer to the entire question will be , "yes, I would reply with yes to the question does 2+2=4."

The liar would reply no to the question, "does two plus two equal four?" so he is compelled to lie about what he would answer and reply, "yes I would reply with yes to the question does 2+2 =4"

 

[input]

For example; "Would you reply with yes if I asked does 2+2 =4?"

Given that the liar knows the answer, he would say no because the truth teller knows the answer to be yes. And since the truth teller can only answer truthfully to this specific question, he must always say yes. Therefore the liar will always say no. How does this example apply though?

 

[Doombawkz]

Given that the liar knows the answer, he would say no because the truth teller knows the answer to be yes. And since the truth teller can only answer truthfully to this specific question, he must always say yes. Therefore the liar will always say no. How does this example apply though?

If he answers no, he is being honest.
He can't be honest, so he has to answer yes.

Its all dependant on how you view absolutes, as I said before. Either he is an absolute liar and will be incapable of answering (causing a random answer), or he is not an absolute liar and is capable of honesty, thus leading to him not being a liar at all.

 

[input]

If he answers no, he is being honest.
He can't be honest, so he has to answer yes.

Okay, after some thought I kind of get what you are saying in some respects. So in other words are you saying because the liar knows 2+2=4 to be true, that if he says it's false, he is still saying the truth because he himself knows he's lying?

Its all dependant on how you view absolutes, as I said before. Either he is an absolute liar and will be incapable of answering (causing a random answer), or he is not an absolute liar and is capable of honesty, thus leading to him not being a liar at all.

I understand how you can see things as absolute, but I thought the OP's scenario would of been more straightforward. So does all this then become more of a perspective thing?

 

[Doombawkz]

Okay, after some thought I kind of get what you are saying in some respects. So in other words are you saying because the liar knows 2+2=4 to be true, that if he says it's false, he is still saying the truth because he himself knows he's lying?



I understand how you can see things as absolute, but I thought the OP's scenario would of been more straightforward. So does all this then become more of a perspective thing?

That depends on your perspective, as it was.

 

[roosTakk]

Except I did have it right, as the obvious rules only said I needed to ask one question of each to ascertain the answer with the risk of being lied to. He only put in the second clause after a few people found solutions through gestures.

Be civilized to people

9.95

 

[9.95]

..........no. and may god have mercy on your soul.

That was the most idiot thing I have read in a long time.

Tell you what, dude, don't bother ever responding to me if you can't possibly say anything remotely civil.

If you didn't agree with me, just say that...what was the point of saying that it was the "most idiot thing I have read in a long time."? Was it just to be aggressive and insulting? If it was, then you've already broken rule #1 in the forum rules, which is to respect the mods. Please check them out here: http://testyourmight.com/threads/the-tym-community-rules-rv1-3-updated-8-12-13.26900/

Make a note of Rule #1. Then, start applying it to how you respond to other people as well. No need to be hostile toward people, so I am asking you nicely (once) to please stop.

 

[Mr. Mileena]

But it does matter lol, you can't ellicit a meaningful response.

Lets say the truth teller is asked first, he replies randomly because he can't know how the random will reply. (Let's say Da)
Likewise, the liar will be forced to reply randomly. (Let's say Ba)
The random is now conflicted. Regardless of whether or not he answers truthfully of falsely, both guards answered differently. His answer will too be completely random. It is not in any way related to your question. You are reduced to making a guess.

Even in the case of a uniform answer you are unsure whether or not they are saying da(yes) or da(no). Which means you need more questions to deduce which path you should take.

lol idc my head hurts lol

 

[9.95]

That was the most idiot thing I have read in a long time.

Oh, and the word is "idiotic".

 

[9.95]

FYI, I have deleted my post. I know it exists in a few quotes, but since roosTakk says I'm an idiot, I deleted it.

I'll be gone from TYM for a long while. I don't need the negativity.