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Glacius is the weakest in the game!

Posthuman

Posthuman

Where's TJ Combo?
SocalZOD said:
Glacius is not the worst if there had to be a worst its spinal atm buts hes new so idk. And glacius might only have one 6-4 mu. Worst atm is orchid and spinal forsure
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I just disagree, Spinal could be the second best in my opinion.
He is the hardest to use and he has weaknessses like everyone else but once people learn to cover his holes he will be really good!
 
Posthuman

Posthuman

Where's TJ Combo?
Qwark28 said:
The downplaying is real.

There's a reason Glacius is right after SW in every top player's list.

And no, you losing online is about you, not your character.
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I never said I was losing online, I dont play rank just exh since I dont care for online rep but I actually do really good tbh.

And there is not an official MU char yet.

In time this is how the MU char will look like...
1. Sabrewulf
2. Spinal
3. Sadira
4. Jago
5. Thunder
6. Orchid
7. Glacius

Fulgore is not out yet but you know what I mean.
 
Ninj

Ninj

Where art thou, MKX Skarlet?
@Posthuman why not upload footage of your gameplay? You saying "I'm not going to upload footage for your entertainment" is like your lawyer telling the judge "I'm not going to provide any evidence for your amusement". You're the one making the claims here, so back it up with something.
 
Posthuman

Posthuman

Where's TJ Combo?
@Ninj

This isnt about me losing online, like I said I actually do pretty good.
And you can always just watch @Orochi's and F.champ streams!
I play like them only a little more defensive and even use manuals!

If you really want to watch my gameplay footage to help with tips then I could send it to you by a PM. I do not wish my GT to be disclosure for personal reasons.
 
Vinci212

Vinci212

Hungry Game Dev
Posthuman said:
In a rush-down game a defensive play-style is really weak.
He has no dash, slow walk speed.
Shitty wake up game. All of his wake ups can be neutral jumped.
Decent AA's but the risk reward is always on the jumper since juggles do very little damage(20% aa juggle, and if the jumper lands a hit Glacius could eat 50%+)
He has very weak anti-cross up game.
He is very vulnerable to Sabrewulf dash cross ups, He cant do much all of his counter attacks wiff and he gets punished.
Glacius Instinct is very good but upon activation he can get threw for free so canceling an unsafe move with IM to make it safe is not 100% safe like everyone else IM.
Glacius air normals are only a problem for scrubs that dont know how weak they are, his air normals have no priority at all.
The uphill battle starts even before the announcer says "fight" since opponents can just walk/dash/jump to him and he has very little options to get them off of him without meter. Basically he has to just block and pray to find a hole to counter poke or input any type of reversal and since his only fully invincible move he has is 13 frames(lol) he is very predictable and reactible!
Why is it that a "zoning" char has such hard time zoning and getting zoned out but Jago a "balanced" char?
A char like Glacius belongs to a SF game were pokes actually do damage, that is the only way he could be really good by poking to win but KI3 doesnt work that way.
He has the easiest to break auto doubles and hardest manuals in the game.

Just to clear this off, Glacius can actually get punished for counter breaking ranged combos!
Jago shadow windkick can punish Glacius wiffed counter break from about 3/4 of screen. This is just an example not all char can punish it but some do pls hit the lab people!

There is so much stuff I'm missing right now so expect me to update it soon.

@Orochi @GodsLonelyman @AK Pig Of The Hut help me explain it to the scrubs that just dont get it, pls!
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Which Air Normals are you talking about? This isn't a troll I hope that the Glacius players you are playing aren't spamming his jumping roundhouse, he actually does well with jp. LP and jp. MP when used to air to air and keep the opponent on their toes.

Cross ups and neutral jumps setup not timed perfectly can result in Glacius LP Snowflake or he can cold shoulder out for free - Players trying to puddle punch pressure on wakeup need to realize that there are more options if you are reading the opponent, especially if they are abusing the matchup with certain characters.

Glacius players getting hit by full screen shadow wind kick from Jago need to hit the lab, there are ways to blow this up.

Glacius Players need to realize that midscreen ranged combos do not mean you get a counter breaker setup for free, that is bs, there is still intelligence used when you have a character in a combo in that range.

His Manuals are indeed difficult and some are oddly spacing situational, and I can baby manual combo with the rest of the cast on command.

Glacius players not keeping snowflakes on screen at all times especially against Sadira Players are playing with one hand behind their back - In other words, Playing without snowflakes on screen constantly is like a Martian Manhunter Player not playing with orbs all round.

A good glacius can keep a good sabrewolf out all day, if he gets in it is mayhem - but to dismiss this matchup because players haven't found out the snowflake and pillar setups and timing on Sabrewolf getting in is silly, the game is extremely new, and the player base vanilla and uninspired

Things that should be considered by the devs - Sadira Jumping HK in glacius' face all day is redic. The amount of precision and risk he has to take to get her off him compared to how brain dead a player can play with her seems extremely strange. This is in no way a matchup killer however, Glacius has setups and movement patterns during the match that do not allow sadira players to tee off on him.

Glacius the worst character in the game? Probably not. (Game is hardly finished. and is not played by enough people, more eyes on it = more balance & tech, as opposed to the thinking the more pros playing it the more balance & tech) A inspiring post about the balancing of the game definitely.

Would love to play matches to iron this out, I kind of sit in meetings from time to time about games balancing etc., have I won a major? no. but how the hell can I when it is IMPOSSIBLE to get matches from anyone with any skill without being shrugged off, even when you go even with them? hmph.
 
Posthuman

Posthuman

Where's TJ Combo?
Vinci212 said:
Which Air Normals are you talking about? This isn't a troll I hope that the Glacius players you are playing aren't spamming his jumping roundhouse, he actually does well with jp. LP and jp. MP when used to air to air and keep the opponent on their toes.

Cross ups and neutral jumps setup not timed perfectly can result in Glacius LP Snowflake or he can cold shoulder out for free - Players trying to puddle punch pressure on wakeup need to realize that there are more options if you are reading the opponent, especially if they are abusing the matchup with certain characters.

Glacius players getting hit by full screen shadow wind kick from Jago need to hit the lab, there are ways to blow this up.

Glacius Players need to realize that midscreen ranged combos do not mean you get a counter breaker setup for free, that is bs, there is still intelligence used when you have a character in a combo in that range.

His Manuals are indeed difficult and some are oddly spacing situational, and I can baby manual combo with the rest of the cast on command.

Glacius players not keeping snowflakes on screen at all times especially against Sadira Players are playing with one hand behind their back - In other words, Playing without snowflakes on screen constantly is like a Martian Manhunter Player not playing with orbs all round.

A good glacius can keep a good sabrewolf out all day, if he gets in it is mayhem - but to dismiss this matchup because players haven't found out the snowflake and pillar setups and timing on Sabrewolf getting in is silly, the game is extremely new, and the player base vanilla and uninspired

Things that should be considered by the devs - Sadira Jumping HK in glacius' face all day is redic. The amount of precision and risk he has to take to get her off him compared to how brain dead a player can play with her seems extremely strange. This is in no way a matchup killer however, Glacius has setups and movement patterns during the match that do not allow sadira players to tee off on him.

Glacius the worst character in the game? Probably not. (Game is hardly finished. and is not played by enough people, more eyes on it = more balance & tech, as opposed to the thinking the more pros playing it the more balance & tech) A inspiring post about the balancing of the game definitely.

Would love to play matches to iron this out, I kind of sit in meetings from time to time about games balancing etc., have I won a major? no. but how the hell can I when it is IMPOSSIBLE to get matches from anyone with any skill without being shrugged off, even when you go even with them? hmph.
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I agree with most you said even if you insulted my intelligence and skills.

I get what you are saving, I mostly do all those things you mention. Glacius is a really good balanced char on an unbalanced game.
Now this isnt me saying the game is actually unbalanced just that in KI3 most char have really OP tools which balances everything out since most chars do. Glacius in the other hand doesnt and that is why he struggles so much vs all 6 chars.

Btw I never ever get hit by Jagos windkick on a neutral game!
 
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Tony at Home

Tony at Home

Master
Posthuman said:
Edit: and no, I'm not gonna record and upload my gameplay for your entertainment!
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It's not for my entertainment. It's the burden of proof on you.

Don't make claims that you can't back up with proof.

I don't go around saying "oh, so this is some Sabrewulf tech you should be using". I get online, I use it, and I show it actually working.

And no, you can't just say "{insert pro player here}" says so. They can speak for themselves and make their own complaint threads. This is yours.
 
Posthuman

Posthuman

Where's TJ Combo?
LtLuthor said:
It's not for my entertainment. It's the burden of proof on you.

Don't make claims that you can't back up with proof.

I don't go around saying "oh, so this is some Sabrewulf tech you should be using". I get online, I use it, and I show it actually working.

And no, you can't just say "{insert pro player here}" says so. They can speak for themselves and make their own complaint threads. This is yours.
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Do I really need to keep saying this over and over and over again?

This isnt about me losing online people!

PM me your gt lets play, who do you main? If you play Glacius I will use all of the chars in the game vs your Glacius in a ft10 with each char!
 
Tony at Home

Tony at Home

Master
Posthuman said:
Do I really need to keep saying this over and over and over again?

This isnt about me losing online people!
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Tier lists, Matchup charts, and character rankings ALWAYS assume the character is being played at a high level.

Just because I'm completely free to Thunder doesn't mean Wulf vs Thunder is 3-7 for Wulf- especially when it is obvious there are things I could be doing to improve my outcome. In this case, it's my problem, not the character.

So you likewise need to show you are actually playing your character in a way that uses his tools the best way possible.

IF you show Glacius loses despite doing everything right, THEN that shows a Match-up is bad for Glacius, and that it's not just you being free.
 
SonicBoomBrad

SonicBoomBrad

Best Doomsday in the world
TYM is hilarious yo. I don't even like this game. But I main Glacius and he's easily top 2. Theoretically if you don't make a mistake in execution with Glacius you should never lose a game, let alone get hit.

If you constantly have a hail out and are applying pressure into more hail then no one should be able to hit you unless it's Spinal. And he needs skulls to be decent at all. Not to mention Glacius 6-4s the best character in the game.
 
Flawless Thomas

Flawless Thomas

Apprentice
Glacius is definitely up there. All 3 of his hails should be able to get you out of most situations you mentioned, hell you can practically snipe people out of the air with heavy hail. Anticipating shadow moves? Hold light hail and let go at the right time lol. I don't think anything you said makes him as bad as you say.. Sounds more like personal problems.
 
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